How can we be sure that all religions are wrong?

1. Where do you get your 50% figure from ?
2. Assuming you are correct, does this show that all religion is wrong ?
3. Nazism had all the social trappings of a 'religion'. Do you agree that the holocaust supports the argument for the wrongfulness of religion?

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Leadfoot Quote:
"It is not what goes into a man that corrupts him, but what comes out."


Yeh, the holocaust... let's go down that rabbit hole... it's still upside down... Hitler had Jewish blood (apparently so) what do we know.. so let's speculate.. is it possible the majority were actually captives? I know the enemy sacrifices its own to gain sympathy and support... I really think we need to take a critical look.

Not sure how you got there.

It was not some 'big picture' issue JC was addressing, but rather where everything of importance to him takes place - the individual. If there is anything we should focus on, it's what comes out of ourselves. Only after that can we start to evaluate Hitler et al.

1. Where do you get your 50% figure from ?
2. Assuming you are correct, does this show that all religion is wrong ?
3. Nazism had all the social trappings of a 'religion'. Do you agree that the holocaust supports the argument for the wrongfulness of religion?

3. Nazism had all the social trappings of a 'religion'. Do you agree that the holocaust supports the argument for the wrongfulness of religion?

Nazism as a true example of error

Belief is not religion. Faith is religion and it's the opposite of belief. As Alan Watts says, belief is holding onto, but faith is letting go.

Religion is how we relate to the universe, that is, what is our identity in relation to the universe? Are we nothing more than a bag of bones? If our identity is greater than that, then that is where religion comes into play.

Identity is changed over time from when we were five years old or 18 years old or 50 years old or more. Just as human consciousness changes over a lifetime religions must change throughout history, and they must be consonant with science and knowledge.

The language and expression of religion is the metaphor, and it is never meant to be taken literally. The religious metaphors or symbols are merely pointers to the experience. So if one says the Virgin birth is a lie, this is missing the point. We have to ask, " what does the Virgin birth mean metaphorically?"

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, God's only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
and he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

Faith is letting loose of concepts and preconceived ideas in order to come to the truth. Belief is the holding on to the concepts and preventing truth.
In that respect religion and science are not a lot different from each other.

Faith is letting loose of concepts and preconceived ideas in order to come to the truth. Belief is the holding on to the concepts and preventing truth.
In that respect religion and science are not a lot different from each other.

Searching for truth is a trick the mind plays on itself and is like a dog chasing its tail. But if one has to do it one has to do it. That's the religious Quest. But there are no Ultimate answers. It's just the here and now. Which is pretty damn cool.

And science is wonderful. But you can't expect science to come up with an ultimate answer either. That's just silly. It's a silly as religion offering a reward in the future.

But if one says all religions are wrong, and all religions are collections of metaphors and symbols describing experiences, like poetry describes experiences, then to say religions are wrong is like saying metaphors and poetry is wrong.

Joseph Campbell said, "All  religions are true in that they are metaphoric of the human and cosmic experience. But if you get stuck to the metaphor then you're in trouble."

And organized religions get stuck to the metaphor. People take these religious symbols literally and argue about the truth of these symbols back and forth. It's just a waste. As Alan Watts said, you don't go to the restaurant to eat the menu. The Virgin birth interpreted literally is the menu. It is a metaphor and to argue about whether it's literally true or not is just plain silly.

Leadfoot Quote:
"It is not what goes into a man that corrupts him, but what comes out."


One of the best ways of evaluating your health is by looking at your poo.

M't:15:11: Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
M't:15:18: But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
M't:15:20: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Quote:

Leadfoot Quote:
"It is not what goes into a man that corrupts him, but what comes out."


One of the best ways of evaluating your health is by looking at your poo.

You are seriously hung up on the importance of 'the body', which is the point Jesus was making to the idiots of his day who thought ritual formality and what you eat was spiritually important. The physical body is way down the list of what Jesus came to talk about, in fact, I don't think it even makes it on 'the list'. I can only assume you have some dogmatic belief that the body has some eternal significance. It doesn't.

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M't:15:11: Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
M't:15:18: But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
M't:15:20: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

16“Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17“Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”

The physical body is way down the list of what Jesus came to talk about, in fact, I don't think it even makes it on 'the list'

Whether it continues flowing from his body or is blocked, it will make him unclean. This is how his discharge will bring about uncleanness:

20 “What!” they exclaimed. “It took forty-six years to build this Temple, and you can do it in three days?” 21 But by “this sanctuary” he meant his body. 22 After he came back to life again, the disciples remembered his saying this and realized that what he had quoted from the Scriptures really did refer to him, and had all come true!