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How can we be sure that all religions are wrong?

 
 
cameronleon
 
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Thu 5 Oct, 2017 06:35 pm
@Glennn,
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So, to sum up, you believe that women who are guilty of infidelity should be killed. You are also somewhat disgruntled because society has evolved to a point where the cruel and unusual punishment involved in biblical law is prohibited. You also have this idea that lots of women agree with you that they should be killed for infidelity, though you cannot substantiate it with anything other than your opinion.


Obviously you don't know debating.

But don't worry, because you indeed have inspired in me, what until I have read your messages, was a temporarily lost attraction for poetry

_____________________

With so obstinate people

There is no valid rule

They, no great no little

just stiff-necked mule.


cameronleon
 
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Thu 5 Oct, 2017 06:44 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Theistic psychosis is not something someone can get out of their own mind.


Is that all you can see in a religious person?

Oh, poor creature...

Try seeing it in a different way

Glennn
 
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Thu 5 Oct, 2017 07:08 pm
@cameronleon,
Of note is that you did not deny that you believe infidelity should be punished by death. And not surprisingly, you have no idea what this says about your mental state.

Also of note is that you bemoan the societal shift from killing people for infidelity to not killing them. You long for the old days when those who threatened your childlike sense of security paid for it with their life. You have a perverted sense of satisfaction.
Glennn
 
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Thu 5 Oct, 2017 07:16 pm
@cameronleon,
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Is that all you can see in a religious person?

Well no. In your case we also see someone who thinks that death is a good way to teach an adulteress a lesson.
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cameronleon
 
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Thu 5 Oct, 2017 07:18 pm
@Glennn,
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You have a perverted sense of satisfaction.


A physiologist in the house

Calling me a pervert one

But, she is just a mouse

Who's knowledge's none
Glennn
 
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Thu 5 Oct, 2017 07:32 pm
@cameronleon,
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But, she is just a mouse


No. I'm someone who just exposed you as one who does not deny that infidelity should be punished by death, and that you have no idea what this says about your mental state.

I also just exposed you as one wh0 bemoans the societal shift from killing people for infidelity to not killing them.

I also exposed you as someone who longs for the old days when those who threatened your childlike sense of security paid for it with their life; that your perverted sense of satisfaction includes killing those who hurt your feelings. Perhaps you need to learn to not have such a lethal reaction to rejection.

And your last post shows that, true to character, your only response to be exposed is to childishly stick your tongue out at me.

Please continue. You're an interesting case.
peacecrusader888
 
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Thu 5 Oct, 2017 08:31 pm
If there is a true God, there must be false gods (John 17:3). Is the god you are worshipping the true God or a false god .

If you were to worship a god, be sure that it is the true God.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 5 Oct, 2017 08:44 pm
@peacecrusader888,
My god is called "Nature."
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 5 Oct, 2017 09:09 pm
@cameronleon,
It's not about sports. It's about what humans have done. Did you know that humans practiced cannibalism during recent times? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_cannibalism Humans are animals that have evolved from the primate family. Ethics, decency, honesty, murder, laws, and society are human concepts. Only humans have created war weapons that can kill millions or destroy whole cities with one bomb. Humanity and decency is an oxymoron. We can destroy ourselves and most living things like no other in the animal kingdom.
cameronleon
 
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Thu 5 Oct, 2017 10:25 pm
@Glennn,
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No. I'm someone who just exposed you as one who does not deny that infidelity should be punished by death, and that you have no idea what this says about your mental state.


Terrific, At least one anti-God individual in this whole discussion has understood clearly what the bible says about the punishment for bitches who cheat on their husbands.
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I also just exposed you as one wh0 bemoans the societal shift from killing people for infidelity to not killing them.


Yup, nothing we can do about it. We live in sad times sigh*

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I also exposed you as someone who longs for the old days when those who threatened your childlike sense of security paid for it with their life; that your perverted sense of satisfaction includes killing those who hurt your feelings. Perhaps you need to learn to not have such a lethal reaction to rejection.


Wait a minute, you are not describing me... you must be talking of your uncle... that dude... what was his name? ah, yes... Stephen Paddock

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And your last post shows that, true to character, your only response to be exposed is to childishly stick your tongue out at me.


Oh, please, no cry babies here.

Killing the adulterous woman with stones is not my idea but God's law, and because I repeat what God says, you want to kill the messenger, that is a no no.

But I already start having the feeling that all your argument might be simply because you want to justify yourself, and that you know that stones hurt.

You want cheating on your spouse
and get away with your trick
but because you make so much nose
rather than stone lets use a brick

cameronleon
 
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Thu 5 Oct, 2017 10:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Did you know that humans practiced cannibalism during recent times?


From your source

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The 100,000-year-old bones of six Neanderthals found in the Moula-Guercy Cave, France, had been broken by other Neanderthals in such a way as to extract marrow and brains.


No signals of cannibalism but the news that Neanderthals had osteologists, neurophysiologists and cephalologists.

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For a brief time in Europe, an unusual form of cannibalism occurred when thousands of Egyptian mummies preserved in bitumen were ground up and sold as medicine


That is not eating human flesh, and was not because magic and rituals, but dry bodies turned into powder for medicine purposes.

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The Great Famine of 1315–17 was marked with extreme levels of cannibalism.


When there is famine, most species kill and eat members of their same kind.

What is missing in the list from your link is cannibalism at the edge of year 1,000. Several portents happened that people reacted crazy thinking that it was the end of the world. In Europe happened a famine as well, and besides of eating other humans in secret, some vendors put dead human bodies for sale in the street market, and, of course, many of those vendors were sent to death... and were eaten later by the executioners. Lol.

When reasoning abandon us, of course humans become savages. Reasoning can be lost by famine, by hate, by several causes.

Note that when humans lost decency, honesty, laws, moral, and similar, then humans transform themselves into savages, cannibals, homosexuals, liberals...
reasoning logic
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 03:27 am
@cameronleon,
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Is that all you can see in a religious person?


No not at all, religion is only a part of a persons character. Some religious people are very smart and decent people, there are some that are not as well.
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brianjakub
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 08:09 am
@cicerone imposter,
Brian said earlier:
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The bible is a story telling us about a process that is taking millions and maybe even billions of years to unfold. The process goes like this.

1. God existed alone with his thoughts (Jesus the Living Word) and His feelings (the Holy Spirit) as a perfect being.

2. He decided he wanted to share these thoughts and feelings with someone so he created the universe so that someone would have a place to live.

3. Then he created somebody in his image with thoughts and feelings (man).

4. He gave the universe to them with only one rule, do whatever you want just don't ruin the perfection. The way you keep from ruining my perfection and learn my purpose is to bring everything you do and make to me for my approval.

5. Abel brought his handy work for approval. Cain listened to Satan and said, "You get what I bring you take it or leave it".

6. God like Abel better because he was humble and willing to learn so, Cain got jealous and killed Abel.

7. The whole universe has been paying for that one murder ever since, but God entered the universe when the Word became flesh and was born of a young Jewish woman and was given the name Jesus Christ.
cicerone:
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What I don't understand about Christianity is the fact that the Christian religion was created only 2,000 years ago while man has occupied this planet for 200,000 years. Also the fact that scientists have determined that humans evolved from primates.


The Christian religion is the whole bible. The God who created the universe, stepped into the universe as a human 2,000 years ago as stated in step 7 above. Even the new Testament in the gospel of John says Jesus the Living Word existed at the beginning of the universe and before.
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John 1New American Standard Bible (NASB)

The Deity of Jesus Christ
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 [a]He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it..
. . The Word Made Flesh
14 And the Word became flesh, and [k]dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of [l]the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 John *testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me [m]has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’” 16 For of His fullness [n]we have all received, and [o]grace upon grace. 17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth [p]were realized through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
Jesus brings substance to God's ideas so we can share in God's ideas in the same way your body and my body give substance to our thoughts and ideas so we can share our thoughts with each other.

Does this make sense to you?

Can you see that Jesus existed as the words that described God's ideas and made them real at the beginning of the universe?

Every atom and molecule is a word that Jesus wrote into the universe for us to use and share with God as we live our lives. The universe even tells us a lot about God in the same way that your creations tell a lot about you.

Do you think this is what your Seventh Day Adventist family sees and believes?

I would love it if you could comment on this.
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Glennn
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 08:49 am
@cameronleon,
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Oh, please, no cry babies here.

The most interesting thing about your thinking is that you believe that people who oppose killing a woman for having an extramarital affair are crybabies. It is interesting because your desire to kill a woman who rejects your continued company is the very definition of a crybaby.

Even more interesting is that, in order to validate your base, immature response to rejection, you foolishly reference a main character in a book you've read who supports your judgement that infidelity should be punishable by death. And this book whose main character you choose to emulate happens to report that the Earth, complete with all manner of vegetation, was created before the Sun. You should think about that. But you won't.
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But I already start having the feeling that all your argument might be simply because you want to justify yourself, and that you know that stones hurt.

Nope. Your feelings are once again wrong. That's just your mind making up what it needs in order to continue wishing violence on those who reject you.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 10:35 am
@Glennn,
I find it amazing how Christians are able to ignore science over a 2000 year old book full of errors, omissions and contradictions. All my siblings are Christians, but I've been an atheist since my early teens. I couldn't reconcile all the contradictions in my young mind.
izzythepush
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 10:37 am
@cicerone imposter,
What's even more amazing is how many so called Christians ignore Christ's main teaching, 'Love thy neighbour,' and instead spread hate, division and prejudice.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 11:05 am
@cameronleon,
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aol.com/amp/2016/06/29/places-where-modern-day-cannibalism-still-exists/
brianjakub
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 11:11 am
@cicerone imposter,
I am a Christian. I don't ignore science. I believe in intelligently guided evolution because the evidence produced by science supports that conclusion. I think the Bible is a book of stories written by men from their own subjective perspective. I think the Bible can help interpret the scientific evidence by giving a historical perspective of who the designer might be, and how he did it in a very broad and non technical way.

You have been following my posts. I believe in your intererpritation of evolution. I believe in macroevolution, and that all new species of higher complexity were an offspring from a simpler species including some if not all humans. Where do i differ from you?
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 12:40 pm
@brianjakub,
What do you mean by "intelligent?" What are floods, earthquakes and mudslides that kills millions of people and living things?
cameronleon
 
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Fri 6 Oct, 2017 01:49 pm
@Glennn,
Each time is more and more notorious that some heavy weight pushes your conscience down and dirty, perhaps the pressure comes from adultery.

It is so important to you that you can't sleep thinking about it.

If no stoning to the adulterous woman, her punishment will be death anyway, no forgiveness if she doesn't repent. Period.

Let me put the seal here

Pump!

From now on, it is ruled that way, no repentance, then... chruuiiick! dead.

You won't find a different rule in the bible, because this rule comes from there.

So, adulterous woman, you are in trouble. hmm hmm hmm

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And this book whose main character you choose to emulate happens to report that the Earth, complete with all manner of vegetation, was created before the Sun. You should think about that. But you won't.


It feels so good that you can't understand Hebrew and the properties of this language. And more funnier, that you can't understand your own native language, because using English properly, giving the correct meaning to words, the bible never says that vegetation was created before the Sun.

No my problem when you can't understand your own language and use the wrong meaning for words.

It is a delight seeing you believing so hard in such fable of vegetation created before the Sun. Lol.

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Nope. Your feelings are once again wrong. That's just your mind making up what it needs in order to continue wishing violence on those who reject you.


Oh yeah?

So, the laws of God didn't implant justice but "violence".

No more talk.

Your ignorance has reached the limits of the absurd.





 

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