How can we be sure that all religions are wrong?

@cameronleon,

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God, the judge, won't allow to any one of the parties to break the contract of marriage without receiving a punishment.

Assuming that this god you speak of exists, how did you come to the place where you would speak for this being?

@cameronleon,

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Because she is not any woman, she is a married woman.

Oh, I see. It is only when a woman is married that having intercourse with someone other than her husband is an act worthy of death. Is that your point?

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@Glennn,

Look at these stats. https://urbanfaith.com/2013/02/how-many-people-have-sex-outside-of-marriage.html/ 95% said they had sex outside their marriage. That's a whole lots of dead people.

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@cicerone imposter,

And a whole lotta stones, too.

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@Glennn,

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Assuming that this god you speak of exists, how did you come to the place where you would speak for this being?

Same as well, there are lots of women -specially religious women- who don't think the same as you do, how did you come to the place where you would speak for them?

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@Glennn,

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Oh, I see. It is only when a woman is married that having intercourse with someone other than her husband is an act worthy of death. Is that your point?

According to God, such is the penalty.

You are evading the fact that marriage is a covenant. Why do you do that?

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@cicerone imposter,

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Look at these stats. https://urbanfaith.com/2013/02/how-many-people-have-sex-outside-of-marriage.html/ 95% said they had sex outside their marriage. That's a whole lots of dead people.

Yup.

But this is the "modern world" in the population which won't follow God's word.

You must be proud that your wife might was cheating on you with lots of guys. (I think some protrusions are being notorious over your forehead...)

When the law of God was enforced by the government of Israel, the adultery rate should have been minimum, due to the penalty imposed in the adulterous woman.

Today, as the law is not punishing properly adultery but on the contrary the adulterous woman takes most of the goods and children from the victimized husband, of course women won't care of being faithful.

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@cameronleon,

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Same as well, there are lots of women -specially religious women- who don't think the same as you do

No, the question to you was how you came to the place where you would speak for the god of your belief.

Anyway, now you're saying that lots of women agree that having stones thrown at them until they are dead is an appropriate response to their infidelity. I'm afraid that I'm going to have to ask you to produce the poll that supports that claim.

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how did you come to the place where you would speak for them?

Now you're seeing things that aren't there. Point me to where I spoke for anyone.

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@cameronleon,

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According to God, such is the penalty.

Let's do this again. How did you come to the place where you would speak for this being that you say exists?

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You are evading the fact that marriage is a covenant.

A covenant is an agreement. Show me the part in the marriage agreement that says: . . . 'til death do you part, under penalty of death.

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@Glennn,

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No, the question to you was how you came to the place where you would speak for the god of your belief.

Anyway, now you're saying that lots of women agree that having stones thrown at them until they are dead is an appropriate response to their infidelity. I'm afraid that I'm going to have to ask you to produce the poll that supports that claim.

Sure, where do you want to start the poll... in a gay disco, with street drug addicts, in a prison, somewhere is special?

By the way, if you are so interested, you do the poll, it's your call.

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Now you're seeing things that aren't there. Point me to where I spoke for anyone.

Have you spoken to women from a Pentecostal church checking if they agree with you about adultery without penalty and women being "equal" to men, and things like that which are the points of your position in this discussion?

Apparently you have been living in a very close environment in society, because there are lots of women who without being religious they do believe in being faithful when is about marriage.

Again, marriage is a covenant, and if you don't want to be part of that covenant, just don't get married and live your life freely having or not having men in your life.

Simple.

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@Glennn,

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Let's do this again. How did you come to the place where you would speak for this being that you say exists?

Oh, if that is your point, how people talk for "peace" and "freedom"? Those are not "beings" but what those represent is widely accepted.

If no God exist, the same principles coming from the bible are as good as "peace", "freedom", "moral", "decency", etc.

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A covenant is an agreement. Show me the part in the marriage agreement that says: . . . 'til death do you part, under penalty of death.

Because your ignorance.

The biblical laws were given to people for to be followed.

God is not forcing anyone to follow the laws given by Him.

You are free to ignore them, to challenge them, to attack them.

However, the ones who follow the biblical doctrine, they voluntarily accept the conditions given in the bible. That is a choice, a decision based in freedom.

When the government (Kingdom of Israel) also followed the biblical laws, then the penalty of death to the adulterous woman was enforced.

Today, for example, the US government is not following and enforcing the laws of God. Then, there is not such a death penalty imposed in adulterous women.

Simple as that.

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@cameronleon,

No its not 'as simple as that'!
One of the main functions of religion is societal control, and the concept of 'self' is acquired through socialization in particular groups. So it is totally false to argue that 'freedom' is involved in following the so-called 'laws of God', when in fact those laws are differentially made and followed by different human groups to regulate thought and behavior. To ignore such rules is to risk group ostracism which is part of the 'freedom price of individuality', especially for impressionable and dependent children.
But of course no religious believer is going to admit that he\she is a mental prisoner of their own parochial conditioning ! So instead of that we get a veneer of 'religious tolerance' with its associated platitude 'respect for other faiths', which falls apart in times of social strife. And THAT is why on balance 'all religions are wrong', because they can be irrational simplistic authoritarian justifications for social pathology.

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@cameronleon,

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By the way, if you are so interested, you do the poll, it's your call.

No. You said that the stoning wasn't an act of savages looking for revenge or similar, a court case was made and followed. You also said that there are lots of women -specially religious women- who don't think the same as I do, and so I asked you how you came to the place where you would speak for them. And then I asked you to produce the poll that supports your claim that lots of women believe that the death penalty is appropriate for the offence of adultery.

And now you're asking me to validate your claim. Not how it works. Now . . . validate your claim.

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@cameronleon,

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However, the ones who follow the biblical doctrine, they voluntarily accept the conditions given in the bible.

No they don't. I have yet to hear of a woman, Christian or otherwise, who decided to have herself killed for having sex with another man while married.

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@cameronleon,

Do you believe that any wife who breaks the covenant and cheats on the husband should be killed?

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@fresco,

Religions are only as irrational as the people that started them. An omnipitant God in the form and person of Jesus Christ never is irrational but, all other people are irrational at one time or another and practice religion in an irrational way. That is true even if the founder of the rational religion (Jesus Christ) was not irrational.

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@Glennn,

...I merely point out that such 'adultary penalties' are part of male chuvinistic aspects of 'religious' control akin to justification for polygamy and harem owning. Its a human residue of 'alpha male' animal instincts. To talk about 'believing' in this stuff is to ignore that 'beliefs' and 'instincts' can be related.

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@fresco,

All of my posts have been addressed to cameronleon. I thought your post was spot-on.

I see his medieval-based reasoning concerning adultery as an expression. He is expressing his imagined right to act according to the leadings of an unevolved, insecure ego that feels vulnerable to abandonment. Therefore he believes that relationships must be enforced, even to the point of killing the offender.

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@Glennn,

I suggest your current exchange with cameronleon will no nowhere. The 'self integrity' of a believer has a vested interest in maintaining its particular rationality since all belief commitments hitherto would be rendered futile if he were to agree with you. On the other hand some believers relish 'duelling with Satan' in order to earn celestial brownie points, but I don't think this is the case here.

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@fresco,

You're right. But I would really like to hear him say that it is appropriate to kill a woman for infidelity. And that's what he has to answer in order to continue with me. I don't believe he will admit to it because somewhere inside him he knows how that will reflect on his character. We'll see.

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