@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:
Quote:Infants remain infants. Silly.
They're going to relive the same thing for millions of years. Deja vu. That looks more like hell.
Heavens a good place CI, there may be wars in heaven but you will have God unless you chose to be like the devil and all the other angels who left with him. I still wonder why so many angles decided to leave heaven. Do you think god might have bad judgment when it comes to making angels? It must have something to do with freewill.
It can not be free will because the story goes god created humans with free will which made some angels jealous. It doesn't make sense as I've pointed out before.
If you are an angel and have an audience with god why would you rebel knowing gods position? Unless god is corrupt or doing something evil to begin with. But of course this doesnt play into the narritive of Christian thought. These angels are the bad guys and god is always righteous.
The explanation by apologists is convoluted and doesn't make sense even for a god to cast out both humans and angels for behaving according to their nature.
If humans are born of sin, have the nature of sin and the free will to chose sin, you can't honestly punish a human for sin. Its like beating a dog for barking. Its wrong, B its the nature for a dig to bark, you can't hate them for it.
Its clear to me that ancient humans invented a god and assumed certain behavior was sinful. Humans created the idea which is why it's convoluted.
The way ancient humans determined sin was based off not understanding reality. If a person became sick, it was interpreted as the wrath of God. If a natural disaster occurred it was gods act to punish the victims. People still think this way.
Its a byproduct for having brains that can recognize mortality but have no rational explanation for it.
It has been pointed out for years that there is a contradiction in receiving gods grace. If you are not worthy of gods grace why? If you do not have it then it's not the fault of the human. God has chosen not to give it. Or there is no god and some people just have random better circumstances than others regardless of their religious affiliation or belief.
Time is proving people are beginning to realize this fact.