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Have anyone else taken note concerning the Boy Scouts

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2013 12:02 pm
@firefly,
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Since only 12 members of Congress voted to revoke the Boy Scouts federal charter, and 362 voted against doing that, the last time the issue came to a vote in the House, I don't think you should hold your breath waiting for that charter to be revoked.


Yes and DOM was passed and sign into law also by overwhelming numbers not that long ago

Millions of even Scouts members are mad and unhappy with the Scout leadership and willing to sign petitions with millions of signatures on them.

Major firms are withdrawing their support of the scouts in very public manners so to sum up Firefly I would not bet any large sum of funds that if the BOA does not change it ways that the next vote in Congress on having their charter revoke will only get 12 votes.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2013 12:21 pm
@BillRM,
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Maybe the Southern Poverty Law center should considering listing the BOA as a hate group..............


It seems you really aren't able to understand, or rationally consider, why the Boy Scouts, as a private organization, have very legitimate reasons for not admitting atheists or agnostics as members--or for not admitting anyone who cannot support their Declaration of Religious Principle or take their oath. Nor do you seem to understand that, as a private organization, they have a Constitutionally protected right to limit membership only to those who support their aims and principles.

The government does not directly fund the operating budget of the Boy Scouts of America, and the government does not seem at all inclined to revoke their federal charter, which is mainly based on the Boy Scouts patriotic activities and their contributions toward promoting patriotism. So, good luck with your crusade.

Where there was an out-pouring of considerable support on the issue of gay membership in the Boy Scouts, there is no similar great support on the atheist/agnostic issue for fairly obvious reasons--atheists and agnostics are not supporters of the organization's basic religious principles and oath, which are important foundational elements of this group. and consequently the BSA have considerable justification for not admitting them as members --they don't share the organization's aims and goals.

This "hate group" nonsense, and repeated references and comparisons to the KKK, are rather childish, and suggest you would rather engage in over-the-top, rather silly, smear tactics rather than a logical consideration of the issues involved.

Enjoy trashing your own thread. Drunk
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2013 12:22 pm
Here is a statement from one of the founders of the Southern Poverty Law center.

So Firefly you are still sure that if the BOA does not change it policies that it federal charter will be safe from a second vote of congress?..... Rolling Eyes


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http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/boy-scouts-of-america-policy-embraces-anti-lgbt-prejudice

Boy Scouts of America policy embraces anti-LGBT prejudice
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By Joseph J. Levin, Jr., SPLC Co-Founder, Emeritus
Twelve years ago, the Southern Poverty Law Center stopped participating in the Montgomery, Ala., United Way campaign because the organization chose to fund the Boy Scouts of America despite its policy of excluding LGBT people from its ranks.

We clearly could not support such discrimination. We were not alone. Some United Way chapters across the country chose to drop the Boy Scouts as beneficiaries of their fundraising campaigns.

Unfortunately, the Boy Scouts of America has decided recently to keep the policy in place. That’s a mistake, one that will reverberate far beyond the realm of scouting. It’s unfortunate that an organization that has meant so much to millions of boys and young men and that has epitomized the values of honesty, integrity and character has chosen to continue a policy that’s antithetical to our nation’s ideals of equality.

Allowing LGBT people to serve in leadership positions will not endanger children. The American Psychological Association has stated unequivocally that “homosexual men are not more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexual men.” And there is absolutely no reason to fear the prospect of a gay youth becoming a boy scout.

But this is about more than scouting. It’s about a major, well-respected American institution continuing to endorse the belief that LGBT people are second-class citizens. Many people will believe that if the Boy Scouts of America is excluding LGBT people, it must be OK.

Of course, the Boy Scouts of America doesn’t intend to encourage bigotry. But such policies can have that effect.

We see the impact of anti-LGBT bigotry in schools across the country, where bullying is rampant. It’s easy to understand why a child might engage in such behavior when he sees adults treat LGBT people as undeserving of basic rights. As adults, we must never forget that children learn by our example.

Anti-LGBT bigotry also can lead to horrible hate crimes. Two years ago, the SPLC analyzed 14 years of federal hate crime data and found that LGBT people, and those perceived to be gay, are far more likely to be victims of a violent hate crime than any other minority group in the United States. We shouldn’t be surprised by that finding, given that so many people in positions of authority – politicians, pundits and others – portray LGBT people as dangerous.

The good news is that despite the persistence of prejudice, we’re witnessing a sea change in the attitudes of Americans toward gay men and lesbians. More and more people are realizing that they aren’t some shadowy threat but rather our friends, our family members, our neighbors and our co-workers. They’re people who deserve the same rights and privileges as everyone else.

It’s time for the Boy Scouts of America to realize it, too.


Comments (83)
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2013 12:33 pm
@firefly,
Firefly I to support the right of the BOA to be bigots either in regards to gays or non-believers just not to have a federal charter or to get funding out of the government hell many millions of dollars a year at that in one form or another.


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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2013 12:38 pm
@BillRM,
I repeat:

Where there was an out-pouring of considerable support on the issue of gay membership in the Boy Scouts, there is no similar great support on the atheist/agnostic issue for fairly obvious reasons--atheists and agnostics are not supporters of the organization's basic religious principles and oath, which are important foundational elements of this group. and consequently the BSA have considerable justification for not admitting them as members --they don't share or support the organization's aims and goals and basic premises.

You are trying to equate the gay issue with the atheist/agnostic issue--but gays can support the Boy Scouts Declaration of Religious Principle and their oath, while atheists and agnostics would likely do nether. That's an important distinction between the two issues and one you seem unable to fathom.

As I said, enjoy trashing your own thread Drunk

Bye....
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2013 12:56 pm
@firefly,
So let me get this straight Firefly you are not a bigot when it come to gays just atheists so you support the pressure on them, even those they are a so call private organization to change their ways in regards to gays citizens just not non-believers?

Well I will admit that the gay rights star is raising and there are more pressure now on the scouts over gay rights then religion rights but once more if the scout leadership have a brain in their heads they would deal with both of their problems at the same time and get it over with. Becoming an organization that is open to all the nation youth and shunning none of them.

If they do not do so I think that they will not regain the support and the funding they wish to once more enjoyed from society and one wound will stop bleeding but the other wound will not stop bleeding.

So will they keep bleeding out fast or somewhat slower depending on if they just get the gay issue behind them or decide to keep both issues alive.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2013 02:38 pm
@BillRM,
Im kinda wondering where Bill is trying to go here.
MattDavis
 
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Reply Fri 29 Mar, 2013 11:53 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Im kinda wondering where Bill is trying to go here.

Heaven.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 07:20 am
@MattDavis,
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Heaven.


LOL and once more if the right wing christians are correct and they will be fulling heaven up that would be my idea of hell.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 08:24 am
Since Firefly and others on this thread are supporting the idea that the Scouts had a right to discriminated against Atheists and other non-believers on the theory that such people can not be either moral or good citizens so here is an example of a man who the scouts would not had allowed to be a member under that theory!!!!!!!!!!

Of course giving up a high paying football career to served his country and then his life is hardly proved that he was a good man that would had deserve wearing a scout uniform now is it?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman#Religious_and_political_beliefs


Corporal Patrick Daniel "Pat" Tillman[1] (November 6, 1976 – April 22, 2004) was an American football player who left his professional career and enlisted in the United States Army in June 2002 in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks. He joined the Army Rangers and served several tours in combat before he died in the mountains of Afghanistan. The Army at first reported that Tillman had been killed by enemy fire, and then Lieutenant General Stanley A. McChrystal approved the award of a Silver Star. The actual cause of Tillman's death was ruled by The Pentagon as friendly fire.

On Sunday, September 19, 2004, all teams of the NFL wore a memorial decal on their helmets in honor of Pat Tillman. The Arizona Cardinals continued to wear this decal throughout the 2004 season. Former Cardinals quarterback Jake Plummer requested to also wear the decal for the entire season but the NFL turned him down, saying his helmet would not be uniform with the rest of the Denver Broncos. Plummer later grew a full beard and his hair long in honor of Tillman, who had such a style in the NFL before cutting his hair and shaving his beard off to fit military uniform guidelines. Plummer, now retired from the NFL, has since gone back to cutting his hair short but maintains the beard.


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Pat Tillman Memorial, Glendale, Arizona


A memorial to Pat Tillman was created at Sun Devil Stadium, where he played football for the Sun Devils and the Cardinals.
The Cardinals retired his number 40, and Arizona State did the same for the number 42 he wore with the Sun Devils. The Cardinals have named the plaza surrounding their University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale Pat Tillman Freedom Plaza. Later, on November 12, 2006, during a Cardinals game versus the Cowboys, a bronze statue was revealed in his honor. ASU also named the entryway to Sun Devil Stadium the "Pat Tillman Memorial Tunnel" and made a "PT-42" patch that they place on the neck of their uniforms a permanent feature.
Pat Tillman's high school, Leland High School in San Jose, renamed its football field after him.
In 2004, the NFL donated $250,000 to the United Service Organizations to build a USO center in memory of Tillman. The Pat Tillman USO Center, the first USO center in Afghanistan, opened on Bagram Air Base on April 1, 2005.[37]
Forward Operating Base Tillman is close to the Pakistan border, near the village of Lwara in Paktika Province, Afghanistan.[38]
On Saturday, April 15, 2006, more than 10,000 participants turned out for 1st Annual Pat's Run (the annual, central fundraising event for the Pat Tillman Foundation) in Tempe, Arizona. The racers traveled along the 4.2-mile (6.8 km) course around Tempe Town Lake to the finish line, on the 42-yard line of Sun Devil Stadium in order to commemorate the number which he wore as a Sun Devil and which was later retired in his honor. A second "shadow" race took place in San Jose, CA, around the country at the same time as Pat's Run. Sponsored by the Pat Tillman Foundation, a total of 14,000 runners took part. In 2005, about 6,000 took part in a single race in Tempe. Since then, Pat's Run has continued to grow every year, with more than 28,000 attendees in April 2010. Various "shadow races", in locations such as Austin, TX, take place around the country at the same time as Pat's Run.
Just south of San Jose, CA, in the small community of New Almaden where Pat Tillman grew up, a memorial was constructed near the Almaden Quicksilver County Park. This memorial was dedicated in September 2007 during the annual New Almaden Day celebration.[39][40]
The skateboarding bulldog featured on YouTube and in an Apple iPhone commercial was named after Tillman.[41]
Two books about Tillman were published in 2009. Jon Krakauer, author of Into Thin Air and Into the Wild, chronicles Tillman's story in Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman, published by Doubleday on September 15. Meanwhile, Tillman's mother, Mary Tillman, also wrote a book about her son, Boots on the Ground by Dusk, which was released in April 2008.
Following Tillman's death, the Ohio State Linebackers Corp consisting of A.J. Hawk, Bobby Carpenter and Anthony Schlegel, as well as center Nick Mangold grew their hair in tribute to Tillman, imitating Tillman's trademark locks.[42]
In September 2008, Rory Fanning, a fellow Army Ranger who was stationed with Tillman in Fort Lewis, Washington, began his "Walk for Pat" — a walk across the United States in an effort to raise money and awareness for the Pat Tillman Foundation. The stated fundraising goal is $3.6 million — the value of the contract Tillman turned down when he decided to enlist in the military.
The Pacific-10 Conference renamed its annual defensive player of the year award in football to the Pat Tillman Defensive Player of the Year.[43]
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Religious and political beliefs

Krakauer described Tillman as "agnostic, perhaps an atheist",[54] while later news reports state he was an atheist.[55][56][57][58] According to speakers at his funeral, he was very well-read, having read a number of religious texts including the Bible, Quran and Book of Mormon as well as transcendentalist authors such as Ralph Waldo Emerson and Henry David Thoreau. However, responding to religious overtones at the funeral by Maria Shriver and John McCain, his youngest brother, Richard, asserted that "He's not with God, he's ******* dead. He's not religious." Richard added, "Thanks for your thoughts, but he's ******* dead."[59] Another article quotes Tillman as having told then-general manager of the Seattle Seahawks Bob Ferguson in December 2003, "You know I'm not religious."[60]
The September 25, 2005, edition of the San Francisco Chronicle newspaper reported that Tillman held views which were critical of the Iraq war. According to Tillman's mother, a friend of Tillman had arranged a meeting for Tillman with author Noam Chomsky, a prominent critic of American foreign and military policy, to take place after his return from Afghanistan. Chomsky has confirmed this.[61]
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 08:40 am
Bill is like spendi , in that he likes to argue several sides of the issue, except hes not as good as boring the hell out of me with the overuse of commas and run on sentences. Bill just manufactures primitive sentences
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 08:49 am
@farmerman,
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Bill is like spendi , in that he likes to argue several sides of the issue, except hes not as good as boring the hell out of me with the overuse of commas and run on sentences. Bill just manufactures primitive sentences


Well I am deeply ashamed that I can not match your lovely and correct writing style that you have always shown on this website.

Farmerman, I promised to try my best to come nearer the perfection of your postings.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 08:59 am
@farmerman,
I just found out that Tillman and such men until very recently could not had been members of the VFW and to this day they are bar from being officers within the VFW.

Strange how many bigots this society tend to produce is it not?

Or the human need to be able to look down on some subset of society such as Jews or Blacks or gays or non-believers or whoever depending on the time and the place.

Hell Catholics got it in the back of the necks in Merry old England for hundreds of years for example so no groups is completely safe from this nonsense.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 10:06 am
@BillRM,
my only mistake is spelling Bill. ive learned to celebrate that, as I assume you are doing with your lack of attention to tenses, voices and verbs.

BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 10:31 am
@farmerman,
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my only mistake is spelling Bill. ive learned to celebrate that, as I assume you are doing with your lack of attention to tenses, voices and verbs.


Yes Farmerman you are indeed a combination of Shakespeare, Kipling and Hemingway.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 10:54 am
It can be hard to limit bigots.............


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http://atheism.about.com/b/2006/05/15/boy-scouts-wiccans-not-welcome-liars-just-fine.htm

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The Boy Scouts of America is well known for their bigotry against atheists and gays - bigotry which many defend as fully compatible with American principles of liberty. One Boy Scout troop tried to extend that bigotry to include Wiccans. Curiously, this bigotry was rejected by the United Methodist Church, but supported by Scouting leaders as well as local parents.
Town Talk (via Wrightwing) reports on an incident in Anacoco, Louisiana, when a Scouting leader started a meeting on the “God and Country” merit badge by asking about the religious diversity in the room:

By a showing of hands, he asks who belongs to the Baptist Church, the Catholic Church, the Methodist Church, continuing on until two boys are left who have not raised their hands. One of the brothers ... called out to tell the group what church he attends. He replies, “I’m Wiccan.”
Apparently, “religious diversity” is only a good thing when limited to various denominations of Christianity, because 12-year-old Cody Brown subsequently suffered for his honest admission:

Within 48 hours of Cody’s confession, the troop committee of Holly Grove United Methodist Church in Anacoco was meeting to discuss the implications. ... “The number one scout law is to do your duty to God and your country,” Troop 71 Scout Master Gene Doherty said. “They met to discuss whether or not the boys could live up to that because of their religion.”

The conclusion was that they could not.
Defenders of the bigotry endemic to the Boy Scouts of America insist that only atheists are excluded by the religion clause in the scout laws — they insist that the duty to “God” can be interpreted broadly. This case demonstrates that this disingenuous defense isn’t really true.

Or did the group instead (or also) decide that Wiccan beliefs are incompatible with doing one’s duty to America?

[Troop 71 Scout Master Gene] Doherty called Army Cpt. Todd Buchheim, the boys’ father and a former Eagle Scout stationed at Fort Polk, to inform him that the boys no longer were welcome in the troop. The Buchheims said Doherty told them that if Cody had lied about his faith, the boys could have remained with no problem.

“I was trying to give them a head’s up so that they wouldn’t come to the next meeting and not be prepared for what was going on,” Doherty said. “They’ve been so supportive of our troop, and they’re good people.”
Doherty admits that the Buchheim’s are good people and have been supportive of the scout troop — but because they don’t believe in the same god as Doherty and the Methodists, they can’t be part of the Boy Scouts. If the Buchheim brothers had lied, however, they would have been welcome.

Thus, honest Wiccans who are good people are not welcome, but liars who only pretend to believe the same things as Christians are welcome. It’s not religious diversity which Doherty and the other scouts want, but submission to Christian dominance in the Boy Scouts of America — and perhaps in America generally.

Fortunately, the district United Methodist Church committee overturned this bigoted decision. Methodist leaders, it seems, are willing to accept genuine religious diversity over dishonesty. Unfortunately, there was no requirement that the Methodists reject bigotry:

“Boy Scouts own the program but does not control the unit,” said Legare Clement, executive director of the Boy Scouts for southwestern Louisiana. “We partner with community organizations and churches as sponsors to present the program, which is actually a youth outreach for them. They approve leaders by our standards, but they have a right to choose members,” Clement said.
So, it wouldn’t be contrary to the rules of the Boy Scouts of America for a troop to exclude Wiccans for being honest about following a religion other than Christianity while accepting dishonest children who lie about being Christian in order to fit in. That’s precisely what some parents in Troop 71 want: they would prefer that Wiccans be excluded because they are afraid that their children will be “preached to” by the two brothers.

Excuse me, but when was the last time you saw Wiccans proselytizing? When was the last time you saw Wiccans going door-to-door to invite people to a meeting of the local coven? When was the last time you saw or heard Wiccans preaching on television and radio? It’s not Wiccans who are preaching to people and trying to convert everyone to their religion, but Christians — Christians are the ones who cause problems in work and clubs by trying to convert others, not Wiccans.

Talk about “projection.”

Sadly, the controversy has caused the Buchheim brothers to drop out of the Boy Scouts troop. The religious bigotry fostered by the Boy Scouts of America and some Christian churches doesn’t just lead to the exclusion of gays and atheists, but also others who follow minority religions in America. It doesn’t matter that Capt. Buchheim serves in the military and is willing to fight to defend liberty in America — all that matters is that he and his family don’t submit to the Christian god and Christian attempts to dominate America.

BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 30 Mar, 2013 11:00 am
@BillRM,
You better be a bigot if you wish to have a charter in the Scouts.


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Sebastopol Scouts' charter pulled over anti-bias policy: Boy Scouts of America says no leeway
in ban against gays


By GUY KOVNER
The Press Democrat
Thursday, August 14, 2003

A Sebastopol troop has lost its Boy Scouts of America charter for refusing to drop an anti-discrimination statement that Scouting officials say conflicts with the organization's national policy banning homosexuals.

Bev Buswell, led adviser to the 16-member Venture Crew 488, said her application for charter renewal was denied because it included a statement she wrote pledging the crew would not discriminate on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation and other factors.

Local and national Scouting officials say there is no leeway in adhering to the 93-year-old organization's membership standards.

"The policies of the Boy Scouts of America are not pick and choose," said Ralph Voelker, who takes over Friday as executive of the Redwood Empire Boy Scout Council, covering Sonoma, Mendocino, Humboldt and del Norte counties.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in June 2000 that the 3.3 million-youth member Boy Scouts, as a private organization, has the right to ban gay members and leaders.

On its Web site, the Boy Scouts of America states: "We believe an avowed homosexual is not a role model for the values espoused in the Scout Oath and Law."

The Scout Oath, including a commitment to stay "physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight," often is cited as justification for prohibiting gay Scouts and leaders.

Critics, including Buswell, say Scouting's opposition to homosexuality is dictated by conservative national leadership and by churches that sponsor more than half of Scout troops and packs.

"I feel like they stole Scouting," she said.

Involved in Scouting since age 16, Buswell said she was troubled by the ouster of gay Scout leaders and Scouting critics, including Dave Rice of Petaluma, a 59-year Scouting veteran removed as an assistant Scoutmaster in 1998.

Buswell said she drafted her first anti-discrimination statement three years ago and included it in her charter renewal application in December, knowing it might prompt the crew's termination

"I actually felt it was my Scout duty," Buswell said. "I feel strongly that a terrible injustice is being done with this policy."

Buswell said she told crew members about the statement but did not ask for their opinions. "I've been pretty careful not to involve the youth," she said.

Mariana Thorn, a former Crew 488 member, said she was dismayed by the fate of the group, which she said was absolutely the highlight of my high school life."

But Thorn, an Analy High School graduate and now a junior at UC Santa Cruz, said she agrees with Buswell's protest. "A gay person can be a perfectly good role model." she said.

The anti-discrimination statement was approved by a parent committee that helps run Crew 488, said Merryl Mendelson of Sebastopol, the committee's chairwoman.

Mendelson said Scouting was "very close-minded" about prohibiting homosexuals. "It needs to be open to everybody," she said.

But Voelker said any Scout unit or regional council would risk loss of its charter by adopting an anti-discrimination statement, as Buswell proposed to the Redwood Empire Council.

"We would no longer exist as an organization," he said.

In June, Roy L. Williams, nation Scout executive, issued a memo stating that no local council "is permitted to depart from BSA membership policies."

Williams said he was "unaware of any council that is not in compliance."

Buswell, 44, a Sebastopol real estate broker, said a meeting last month with a Scouting official failed to find common ground. "We agreed to differ," she said.

Buswell, a veteran Scouting leader, said 65 teen-agers and 21 adult leaders had participated in Crew 488 since 1996. The crew, which engages in such high-adventure as backpacking, caving, whitewater rafting, surfing and snow camping, is nw in limbo because it lost the insurance provided by the Boy Scouts.

Buswell said she hopes to revive the crew through affiliation with the YMCA, Camp Fire, West County Community Services or some other organization.

Venturing, a Boy Scouts of America youth development program for men and women ages 14 to 20, has 315,296 members, nearly 10 percent of Scouting's total youth membership.

Buswell, a former Boy Scout troop leader, joined Crew 488 when her daughter, Alyssa, turned 14. "We turn it up a notch," she said, referring to the crew's involvement in rugged outdoor activities.

"You learn survival and self-reliance," she sad.

Laurie Stoumen, a Sebastopol landscaper whose daughter was in Crew 488 two years ago, said she supports Buswell's stand.

"I don't believe in discriminating against anybody," said Stoumen, whose deceased brother was gay. "The whole thing is very personal to me."

To protest Crew 488's loss of charter, Buswell and others said they will stage a protest Aug. 21 in front of the Redwood Empire Council's office.

She holds little hope of a resolution, but Buswell said that in training Scouts for citizenship merit badges she advocated "standing up for what you believe in."

The current Scouting controversy is not the first in Sonoma County.

Steven Cozza, 18, a Petaluma Eagle Scout and now a world-class junior bicyclist, launched a national protest against Scouting's ban on gays in December 1997. Cozza still attends rallies when his bicycle training schedule permits, and his petition to change the policy has more than 90,000 signatures, said his father, Scott Cozza.

Scouting groups can maintain a no-discrimination policy only if they keep quiet about it, said Scott Cozza, who was ousted as a Petaluma assistant Scoutmaster in 1998.

You can reach Staff Writer Guy Kovner at 521-5457 or [email protected].
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MattDavis
 
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Reply Sun 31 Mar, 2013 03:13 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
...that would be my idea of hell.

Not waiting around for Godot?
Here is one if my favorite poet philosophers on the subject.
The timeless Leonard Cohen.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 6 Nov, 2013 09:52 pm
Quote:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865588082/Boy-Scouts-remove-God-from-oath-in-UK-welcome-atheists-to-the-ranks.html


Boy Scouts remove 'God' from oath in UK, welcome atheists to the ranks


In what secularists hail as a gesture to welcome atheists into the Boy Scouts, the Britain Scouting Association has approved an alternate version of the Scout Oath or Promise that makes no mention of God.



Summary
In what secularists hail as a gesture to welcome atheists into the Boy Scouts, the Britain Scouting Association has approved an alternate version of the Scout Oath or Promise that makes no mention of God.
In what secularists hail as a step toward welcoming atheists into the Boy Scouts, the Britain Scouting Association has approved an alternate version of the Scout Promise that makes no mention of God.

For more than a century, British Scouts have promised: "On my honor, I promise that I will do my best, to do my duty to God and to the Queen, to help other people and to keep the Scout Law."

NBC News reported Monday that "the first part of the promise (was) tweaked to read: 'I promise that I will do my best to uphold our Scout values.’ ”

Scouting officials in the U.K. said the Scout Promise has been altered before to accommodate Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and non-citizens who are not subjects of the queen.

Wayne Bulpitt, U.K. chief commissioner for the Scouting Association, told NBC the change is proof the Scouting movement continues to evolve and is all-inclusive. But he noted one thing remains unchanged: “We are a values-based movement and exploring faith and beliefs remains a key element of the Scouting Programme. That will not change.”

Opposing Views reported that the change comes "after the British Girl Guides’ decision in June to also remove the phrase 'to love my God' from their pledge. Girl Guides are now asked to 'be true to myself and develop my beliefs.’ ”

Secularists lauded the Boy Scouts' decision to offer an alternate promise as a step forward and a relief after a long campaign to make a change.

"Andrew Copson, chief executive of the British Humanist Association, called it a 'progressive decision of welcoming non-religious young people and adults of good conscience,’ ” the Huffington Post reported. “It means that the Scout movement is at last open to everyone, and young people who don't have a religious belief can join in good conscience.”

The Rt. Rev. Paul Butler of the Church of England said, "I very much welcome this announcement by the Scout movement that God stays in the Promise,” Opposing Views reported. “In enabling people of all faiths and none to affirm their beliefs through an additional alternative ... the Scout movement has demonstrated that it is both possible, and I would argue preferable, to affirm the importance of spiritual life and not to restrict meaning to arbitrary self-definition.”

The Boy Scouts of America's Scout Oath or Promise reads: "On my honor, I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; to help other people at all times; to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight."

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Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 7 Nov, 2013 11:56 am
I guess that when an atheist Boy Scout helps an older person across the street, in doing one's good deed for the day, and the older person might say, "Bless you my son," the Scout can tell the older person, "Please don't make references to God"? There could even be a merit badge for "Assertive Atheism."
 

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