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Who Really Cares About the Palestinians?

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2013 01:00 pm
@Advocate,
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Intelligent people, to ease discussion, speak in generalities.


I'm stunned to hear you suggest such a thing, Advocate. Finn, the god awful propagandist, speaks in generalities; the more inanely general, the better is his motto.

Truth doesn't come packaged according to what side you support. You know this to be the case for the US and you are ready and willing to admit it. What fails you so miserably when it comes to Israel?

As history has shown, there are Jews who would have fit right in with Hitler's Final Solution. There are others, like those Jews of the short film, My Neighbourhood that highlight the fact that caring people exist in every nationality, in every grouping.

Did you watch the movie? It really isn't that long. It is very revealing.

You exist in the USA, you seem ready to acknowledge the evil that persists there. It's incomprehensible as to what it is that fails you vis a vis, Israel.
ABE5177
 
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Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2013 01:38 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Unlike in the Muslim countries, there is free speech in Israel. The author is just one person with one opinion.

There are many more people in Israel who, properly, wildly disagree with his opinion.


there's no HE here it's THEY
all of them

read tghen write COS if you dont stupicd speech lresults
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2013 04:07 pm
@JTT,
Didn't many Arabs ally with Hitler? Keep in mind the various genocides in the Middle East. It was the Arabs who carried them out, not the Jews. In the various wars between the Israelis and their Muslim enemies, Israel kill about 10,000, when they could have easily killed hundreds of thousands. Assad senior massacred 20,000 on mere suspicion of disloyalty, and Assad junior has now massacred 70,000 of his fellow Syrians.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2013 04:53 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:
Didn't many Arabs ally with Hitler? Keep in mind the various genocides in the Middle East. It was the Arabs who carried them out, not the Jews. In the various wars between the Israelis and their Muslim enemies, Israel kill about 10,000, when they could have easily killed hundreds of thousands. Assad senior massacred 20,000 on mere suspicion of disloyalty, and Assad junior has now massacred 70,000 of his fellow Syrians.



Advocate, this Hey look, there's a squirrel is dishonest.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2013 06:25 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Didn't many Arabs ally with Hitler?


The Arabs weren't alone.

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Lehi (Hebrew pronunciation: [ˈleχi]; Hebrew: לח"י – לוחמי חרות ישראל‎ Lohamei Herut Israel - Lehi, "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel - Lehi"), commonly referred to in English as the Stern Gang, was a militant Zionist group founded by Avraham ("Yair") Stern in the British Mandate of Palestine

During World War II, Lehi initially sought alliance with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, offering to fight alongside them against the British in return for the transfer of all Jews from Nazi-occupied Europe to Palestine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2013 07:33 pm
@Advocate,
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Didn't many Arabs ally with Hitler?


What of Henry Ford and other famous Americans. Is this true? Can this be possible?

Book TV: Edwin Black, author or "Nazi Nexus"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N8nB-5qWdvQ
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 23 Mar, 2013 08:17 pm
@JTT,
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Profits über Alles! American Corporations and Hitler

Review Article

By Dr. Jacques R. Pauwels
Global Research, January 27, 2007
Global Research 8 June 2004


This article was first published by Global Research on 8 June 2004.

While America is at war in the Middle East, this incisive and carefully researched article by Jacques Pauwels provides with a historical understanding of the relationship between war and profit.


In the United States, World War II is generally known as “the good war.”

In contrast to some of America’s admittedly bad wars, such as the near-genocidal Indian Wars and the vicious conflict in Vietnam, World War II is widely celebrated as a “crusade” in which the US fought unreservedly on the side of democracy, freedom, and justice against dictatorship.

No wonder President George W. Bush likes to compare his ongoing “war against terrorism” with World War II, suggesting that America is once again involved on the right side in an apocalyptic conflict between good and evil. Wars, however, are never quite as black-and-white as Mr. Bush would have us believe, and this also applies to World War II. America certainly deserves credit for its important contribution to the hard-fought victory that was ultimately achieved by the Allies. But the role of corporate America in the war is hardly synthesized by President Roosevelt’s claim that the US was the “arsenal of democracy.” When Americans landed in Normandy in June 1944 and captured their first German trucks, they discovered that these vehicles were powered by engines produced by American firms such as Ford and General Motors. 1 Corporate America, it turned out, had also been serving as the arsenal of Nazism.

Fans of the Führer

Mussolini enjoyed a great deal of admiration in corporate America from the moment he came to power in a coup that was hailed stateside as “a fine young revolution.” 2 Hitler, on the other hand, sent mixed signals. Like their German counterparts, American businessmen long worried about the intentions and the methods of this plebeian upstart, whose ideology was called National Socialism, whose party identified itself as a workers’ party, and who spoke ominously of bringing about revolutionary change. 3 Some high-profile leaders of corporate America, however, such as Henry Ford liked and admired the Führer at an early stage. 4

Other precocious Hitler-admirers were press lord Randolph Hearst and Irénée Du Pont, head of the Du Pont trust, who according to Charles Higham, had already “keenly followed the career of the future Führer in the 1920s” and supported him financially. 5

Eventually, most American captains of industry learned to love the Führer. It is often hinted that fascination with Hitler was a matter of personalities, a matter of psychology. Authoritarian personalities supposedly could not help but like and admire a man who preached the virtues of the “leadership principle” and practised what he preached first in his party and then in Germany as a whole.

Although he cites other factors as well, it is essentially in such terms that Edwin Black, author of the otherwise excellent book IBM and the Holocaust, explains the case of IBM chairman Thomas J. Watson, who met Hitler on a number of occasions in the 1930s and became fascinated with Germany’s authoritarian new ruler. But it is in the realm of political economy, not psychology, that one can most profitably understand why corporate America embraced Hitler.

In the 1920s many big American corporations enjoyed sizeable investments in Germany. IBM established a German subsidiary, Dehomag, before World War I; in the 1920s General Motors took over Germany’s largest car manufacturer, Adam Opel AG; and Ford founded a branch plant, later known as the Ford-Werke, in Cologne. Other US firms contracted strategic partnerships with German companies. Standard Oil of New Jersey — today’s Exxon — developed intimate links with the German trust IG Farben. By the early 1930s, an élite of about twenty of the largest American corporations had a German connection including Du Pont, Union Carbide, Westinghouse, General Electric, Gilette, Goodrich, Singer, Eastman Kodak, Coca-Cola, IBM, and ITT. Finally, many American law firms, investment companies, and banks were deeply involved in America’s investment offensive in Germany, among them the renowned Wall Street law firm Sullivan & Cromwell, and the banks J. P. Morgan and Dillon, Read and Company, as well as the Union Bank of New York, owned by Brown Brothers & Harriman.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/profits-ber-alles-american-corporations-and-hitler/4607

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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 24 Mar, 2013 09:57 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Advocate wrote:

Didn't many Arabs ally with Hitler?


The Arabs weren't alone.

Quote:
Lehi (Hebrew pronunciation: [ˈleχi]; Hebrew: לח"י – לוחמי חרות ישראל‎ Lohamei Herut Israel - Lehi, "Fighters for the Freedom of Israel - Lehi"), commonly referred to in English as the Stern Gang, was a militant Zionist group founded by Avraham ("Yair") Stern in the British Mandate of Palestine

During World War II, Lehi initially sought alliance with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, offering to fight alongside them against the British in return for the transfer of all Jews from Nazi-occupied Europe to Palestine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)


But there was no nation of Israel seeking to be allied with the Nazis. You are referring to one individual who was with a small organization.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 24 Mar, 2013 11:50 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

But there was no nation of Israel seeking to be allied with the Nazis. You are referring to one individual who was with a small organization.


Israel at the time wasn't a state, it was various organisations, and the Lehi was one such organisation. If their actions were so abhorrant to mainstream Israel you would imagine that their leaders/members would be shunned. In reality, that was far from the case. You can't get more mainstream than the prime minister.

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Yitzhak Shamir (Hebrew: יצחק שמיר‎, listen (help·info); Arabic: إسحاق شامير‎, Is'haq Shameer; born Icchak Jeziernicky; October 22, 1915 – June 30, 2012) was an Israeli politician and the seventh Prime Minister of Israel, serving two terms, 1983–84 and 1986–1992. Before the establishment of the State of Israel, Shamir was a member of Lehi, and one of its commanders after Avraham Stern was killed. After the establishment of the State of Israel he served in the Mossad between 1955-65, a Knesset Member, a Knesset Speaker and a Foreign Affairs Minister. Shamir was the country's third longest-serving prime minister after David Ben-Gurion and Benjamin Netanyahu.

Shamir joined the Irgun Zvai Leumi, a Zionist paramilitary group that opposed British control of Palestine. When the Irgun split in 1940, Shamir joined the more militant faction Lehi, also known as the Stern Gang, headed by Avraham Stern.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Shamir
Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 24 Mar, 2013 01:26 pm
@izzythepush,
What a big red herring! There is nothing about Shamir linking him with the Nazis.

I wonder why you work so hard to smear Israel and the Jews, and defend even the worst Muslims. It shows, I think, that you are an anti-Semite.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 24 Mar, 2013 01:34 pm
@Advocate,
Lehi sought an alliance with Nazi Germany. Shamir was a member of Lehi. Those are facts, and if facts disagree with your fantasy worldview they're anti-semitic.

You're delusional.
Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2013 08:00 am
@izzythepush,
So it is guilt by association. You will seize any slim reed to denigrate Israel and its leaders. What does that say about you?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2013 08:59 am
@Advocate,
Don't talk rubbish, he was a member of the group, not someone who had spent time socially with them, he joined up.

Why is it that you're so willing to condemn right wing politics in other countries, but refuse to do so with Israel despite being provided with proof? You want the world to be a certain way, so ignore all evidence to the contrary. You are incapable of rational debate, at least as far as Israel is concerned. It's a lot easier to label all criticism of Israel as being rooted in anti-semitism because that way you don't have to deal with reality.
Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2013 03:55 pm
@izzythepush,
What garbage!

Gee, I was once a member of the armed forces. Was I, therefore, responsible for all its policies? How stupid!
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2013 04:00 pm
@Advocate,
So what members of the Nazi party do you think are just guilty by association?

You were a member of the armed forces, not a terrorist organisation.

Can't you tell the difference?
Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2013 04:06 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

So what members of the Nazi party do you think are just guilty by association?

You were a member of the armed forces, not a terrorist organisation.

Can't you tell the difference?


You were probably a member of the Nazi party. So you are guilty by association.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2013 04:14 pm
@izzythepush,
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You were a member of the armed forces, not a terrorist organisation.


Shock and Awe wasn't terrorism, Izzy? What about rounding up villagers and machine gunning them? How about spreading napalm all over them and their villages? Benign stuff that napalm.

What of using white phosphorus in Shake and Bake? And let's not forget depleted uranium.
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 25 Mar, 2013 04:14 pm
@Advocate,
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You were probably a member of the Nazi party. So you are guilty by association.


That's H20manish, Advocate.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 26 Mar, 2013 02:17 am
@Advocate,
You're the one spreading hate and propaganda. If anyone fits the description of a nazi it's you. However, I'm not at all surprised that you choose to duck the question. You do it every time the facts become to hard for you to explain away.
Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 26 Mar, 2013 07:52 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
You were probably a member of the Nazi party. So you are guilty by association.


That's H20manish, Advocate.


That is about the worst accusation one can make.
 

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