Where is the self? How can dualism stand if it's just a fiction?

However, I'm not aware of any robot making itself without the assistance of humans providing the necessary materials, utilities, and programming.

I am pretty sure if you were to "pray" enough and with sufficient dedication...at some point you would "begin to see the light."

I've come to the conclusion that arguing with a Christian about whether it is logical to assert the existence of a god is a go-nowhere proposition.

If you want to think self does not exist...do it in peace.

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I am pretty sure if you were to "pray" enough and with sufficient dedication...at some point you would "begin to see the light."

Interesting Frank that you should so assert as it's the pantheist's view that this is precisely how She answers the prayers

Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5262224)
Frank, it is not the same as the example of 'prayer' and 'god' in other religions because you experience the 'self' or you think you do as does everyone else. But 'God' is unseen. So, there is a difference. As you experience a 'self' you should be able to explain to me where it is or how it could logically exist. That is 'not' expected of anyone who says there is a god.

So, you say that Buddhism is the same the theistic traditions but from my example above... you can see it is 'not' the same thing.

Frank, where is the self?

My "self" is here at the keyboard replying to your question to that "Frank" that you mentioned.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

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My "self" is here at the keyboard replying to your question to that "Frank" that you mentioned.

Which 'part' of your body is 'Frank'?

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Frank Apisa wrote:

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My "self" is here at the keyboard replying to your question to that "Frank" that you mentioned.

Which 'part' of your body is 'Frank'?

The part that you are addressing???

If you want to think meditation brings enlightenment...do it in peace.

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Frank Apisa wrote:

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My "self" is here at the keyboard replying to your question to that "Frank" that you mentioned.

Which 'part' of your body is 'Frank'?

The part that you are addressing???

Which part is that Frank?.

Which part is that Frank?

If Buddhism is nonsense then you should be able to answer my questions easily and show how my questions are easily answered by any person who decides to spend a few minutes answering them. I await your answer...

igm wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Frank Apisa wrote:

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My "self" is here at the keyboard replying to your question to that "Frank" that you mentioned.

Which 'part' of your body is 'Frank'?

The part that you are addressing???

Which part is that Frank?.

If Buddhism is nonsense then you should be able to answer my questions easily and show how my questions are easily answered by any person who decides to spend a few minutes answering them. I await your answer...

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Which part is that Frank?

The part that is responding.

I'm starting to lose count how many times I've re-asked you: 'Where is the self?' out of all the possible replies you've not answered with any of them and your replies don't amount to an answer, so...

You said you knew there was a ‘self’ a ‘Frank’ typing at your keyboard in your post above so… Why don’t you say something like: I don’t know or It's my brain or some-such-thing. If you don’t know where ‘Frank’ i.e. the ‘self’ called ‘Frank’ is then how is that different from saying I know there is a God but I don’t know where he is?

igm wrote:

igm wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5262297)
Frank Apisa wrote:

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My "self" is here at the keyboard replying to your question to that "Frank" that you mentioned.

Which 'part' of your body is 'Frank'?

The part that you are addressing???

Which part is that Frank?.

If Buddhism is nonsense then you should be able to answer my questions easily and show how my questions are easily answered by any person who decides to spend a few minutes answering them. I await your answer...

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Which part is that Frank?

The part that is responding.

I'm starting to lose count how many times I've re-asked you: 'Where is the self?' out of all the possible replies you've not answered with any of them and your replies don't amount to an answer, so...

You said you knew there was a ‘self’ a ‘Frank’ typing at your keyboard in your post above so… Why don’t you say something like: I don’t know or It's my brain or some-such-thing. If you don’t know where ‘Frank’ i.e. the ‘self’ called ‘Frank’ is then how is that different from saying I know there is a God but I don’t know where he is?

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I'm starting to lose count how many times I've re-asked you: 'Where is the self?' out of all the possible replies you've not answered with any of them and your replies don't amount to an answer, so...

Here at the keyboard, igm. Not sure how you missed that.

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You said you knew there was a ‘self’ a ‘Frank’ typing at your keyboard in your post above so… Why don’t you say something like: I don’t know or It's my brain or some-such-thing. If you don’t know where ‘Frank’ i.e. the ‘self’ called ‘Frank’ is then how is that different from saying I know there is a God but I don’t know where he is?

Well...if it would make you feel any better, igm...I will answer: It appears to me that I am here at the keyboard, igm.

Frank, and you say you 'enjoy' this kind of exchange

Your contention is that there is no self.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Your contention is that there is no self.

It's not... I'm asking, 'Where is the self?' that's a question not a contention.

You say there is a self...

igm wrote:

igm wrote:

igm wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Re: Frank Apisa (Post 5262297)
Frank Apisa wrote:

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My "self" is here at the keyboard replying to your question to that "Frank" that you mentioned.

Which 'part' of your body is 'Frank'?

The part that you are addressing???

Which part is that Frank?.

If Buddhism is nonsense then you should be able to answer my questions easily and show how my questions are easily answered by any person who decides to spend a few minutes answering them. I await your answer...

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Which part is that Frank?

The part that is responding.

I'm starting to lose count how many times I've re-asked you: 'Where is the self?' out of all the possible replies you've not answered with any of them and your replies don't amount to an answer, so...

You said you knew there was a ‘self’ a ‘Frank’ typing at your keyboard in your post above so… Why don’t you say something like: I don’t know or It's my brain or some-such-thing. If you don’t know where ‘Frank’ i.e. the ‘self’ called ‘Frank’ is then how is that different from saying I know there is a God but I don’t know where he is?

Frank Apisa wrote:

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I'm starting to lose count how many times I've re-asked you: 'Where is the self?' out of all the possible replies you've not answered with any of them and your replies don't amount to an answer, so...

Here at the keyboard, igm. Not sure how you missed that.

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You said you knew there was a ‘self’ a ‘Frank’ typing at your keyboard in your post above so… Why don’t you say something like: I don’t know or It's my brain or some-such-thing. If you don’t know where ‘Frank’ i.e. the ‘self’ called ‘Frank’ is then how is that different from saying I know there is a God but I don’t know where he is?

Well...if it would make you feel any better, igm...I will answer: It appears to me that I am here at the keyboard, igm.

Frank, and you say you 'enjoy' this kind of exchange

If you are there at the keyboard are you the 'whole' of your body or 'part' of your body or are you neither or both; that covers 'all' the possibilities so all you have to do is choose one, what is your reply?