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Who doesn't back gay marriage?

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 09:26 am
@Shadow X,
You are a bigot, and this is the last time I will respond directly to you. You don't care about children abused by paedophiles, if you did you would have made your distaste known on this thread.

http://able2know.org/topic/180781-1

You didn't, you came straight to a thread started by The Pentacle Queen about what sort of person opposes gay marriage. Well if nothing else she has her answer, loathsome bigots, that's who.
Shadow X
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 09:30 am
@Setanta,
A study in the Journal of Sex Research found, as we have noted above, that "approximately one-third of [child sex offenders] had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized girls." The authors then make a prescient observation: "Interestingly, this ratio differs substantially from the ratio of gynephiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature females) to androphiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature males), which is at least 20 to 1."[17]

In other words, although heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses.

Similarly, the Archives of Sexual Behavior also noted that homosexual pedophiles are significantly overrepresented in child sex offence cases:

The best epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2 to 4 percent of men attracted to adults prefer men (ACSF Investigators, 1992; Billy et al.,1993; Fay et al.,1989; Johnson et al.,1992); in contrast, around 25 to 40 percent of men attracted to children prefer boys (Blanchard et al.,1999; Gebhard et al.,1965; Mohr et al.,1964). Thus, the rate of homosexual attraction is 6 to 20 times higher among pedophiles."[18]
The stark imbalance between homosexual and heterosexual child molestationswas confirmed in the Archives of Sexual Behavior study itself, which divided 260 pedophile participants into three groups: "152 heterosexual pedophiles (men with offenses or self-reported attractions involving girls only), 43 bisexual pedophiles (boys and girls), and 65 homosexual pedophiles (boys only)."[19] In other words, 25 percent of the offenders were homosexual pedophiles--or 41 percent if those who molest girls as well as boys are included.

Other studies report an unusually high percentage of child molestations by homosexual pedophiles:

· A study on pedophilia in the Psychiatric Journal of the University of Ottawa reported: "According to the literature, findings of a two-to-one ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles have been documented."[20]

· The Journal of Sex Research reports a study that included "199 offenders against female children and 96 offenders against male children. . . . This would indicate a proportional prevalence of 32 percent of homosexual offenders against children."[21]

· A study of male child sex offenders in Child Abuse and Neglect found that fourteen percent targeted only males, and a further 28 percent chose males as well as females as victims, thus indicating that 42 percent of male pedophiles engaged in homosexual molestation.[22]

18. Ray Blanchard, et al., "Fraternal Birth Order and Sexual Orientation in Pedophiles," Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (2000): 464.
19. Ibid., p. 471.
20. John M. W. Bradford, et al., "The Heterogeneity/Homogeneity of Pedophilia," Psychiatric Journal of the University of Ottawa 13 (1988): 225. Elsewhere the study notes: "Researchers have variously estimated the incidence of homosexual pedophilia between 19 percent and 33 percent of reported molestations," p. 218.
21. Freund, "Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality," p. 197.
22. Michele Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What Offenders Tell Us," Child Abuse and Neglect 19 (1995): 581.

“Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a sexual deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire consequences for our culture,” wrote Steve Baldwin in, “Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement,” soon to be published by the Regent University Law Review.

“It is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture without appearing harsh,” wrote Baldwin. “However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization..."

A study detailed in Baldwin’s report found that most pedophiles even consider themselves to be “gay.” According to the study, “Archives of Sexual Behavior,” some 86 percent of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual.

"also written for the Regent University Law Review – Reisman cited psychologist Eugene Abel, whose research found that homosexuals “sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls."


Abel also found that non-incarcerated “child molesters admitted from 23.4 to 281.7 acts per offender … whose targets were males.”


“The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering,” said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. “Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls.”

The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, “Male Intergenerational Intimacy,” containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son “not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy’s upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home.”

In 1995 the homosexual magazine “Guide” said, “We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual” and “deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. …” The article went on to say: “Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children’s sexuality … we must do it for the children’s sake.”

Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, “Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist”: “In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it.”

Homosexual Alfred Kinsey, the preeminent sexual researcher in the history of sexual research, found that 37 percent of all male homosexuals admitted to having sex with children under 17 years old.

A (2000) study published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that "The best epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2-4% of men attracted to adults prefer men. In contrast, around 25-40% of men attracted to children prefer boys. Thus, the rate of homosexual attraction is 620 times higher among pedophiles."

A 2000 study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that". . . all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories" for sexual activity;' These age categories were fifteen and twenty years old.

Another recent study in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that "Pedophilia appears to have a greater than chance association with two other statistically infrequent phenomena. The first of these is homosexuality . . . Recent surveys estimate the prevalence of homosexuality, among men attracted to adults, in the neighborhood of 2%. In contrast, the prevalence of homosexuality among pedophiles may be as high as 30-40%."

A 1989 study in the Journal of Sex Research noted that " . . . the proportion of sex offenders against male children among homosexual men is substantially larger than the proportion of sex offenders against female children among heterosexual men . . . the development of pedophilia is more closely linked with homosexuality than with heterosexuality."

A 1988 study of 229 convicted child molesters published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior found that 86% of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual.

Homosexual activists Karla Jay and I Allen Young revealed in their 1979 Gay Report that 73% of all homosexuals I have acted as "chicken hawks" — that is, they have preyed on adolescent or younger boys.

A study by sex researchers Alan Bell and Martin Weinberg found that 25% of white
homosexual men have had sex with boys sixteen years and younger.

I could go on if you'd like me to.

Oh but i forgot... you have an easy fix for that... if they're molesting children then you just don't call them homosexuals. It's funny though... before you find out they were molesting children... you considered them homosexual.
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Shadow X
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 09:33 am
@Setanta,
I've backed up my case with MUCH more than you have and I even used homosexuals and people who were attempting to defend homosexuality against claims of a pedophilia link who, after performing their research, could no longer do so.

But I suppose dozens of researchers, the department of justice, and multiple leading universities are just puking up right-wing christian propaganda.

Whereas you (and the blogpost from a gay rights activist and a study that you provided which actually admitted homosexuals were more likely to be pedophiles), who are attempting to make the case that a male who wants to have sex with an underage male isn't a homosexual, are not puking up leftwing propaganda?
Shadow X
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 09:40 am
@izzythepush,
I find it absolutely abhorrent that anyone would molest a child. I find it outrageous that the rate of pedophilia in the homosexual community is at the absurdly high rate that it's at. If I can reduce that number in any way by denying these people access to children then I am helping those kids.

Funny... even when you're confronted with statistics that are irrefutable... you still haven't said it's wrong.
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Shadow X
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 09:44 am
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/21125_558425680869390_114885869_n.jpg

Yeah this is what our children should be taught... details on fisting protection for when they have gay sex.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 10:31 am
@Shadow X,
You used unreliable claims for christian rignt-wing sources, who don't provide their own sources. Even if all the pretty pictures were true, one swallow dose not a summer make. That there may be lunatic homosexuals out there wouldn't surprise me--there certainly are enough right-wingnuts out there.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 10:32 am
@Shadow X,
The abstract i provide in no way states or implies that homosexuals are more likely to be paedophiles. Lying won't help your case.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 10:42 am
Gateway Pundit falsely suggests Jennings' organization handed out explicit safe-sex booklet to children
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Shadow X
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 10:55 am
@Setanta,
The abstract you provided may not but the source you provided most certainly did. How about you do some more research past reading an abstract. They admitted explicitly that homosexuals were more likely to do so. Even AFTER they distorted the numbers. They were just able to get them down to a 2:1 ratio.
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Shadow X
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 11:05 am
@Setanta,
You're lying through your teeth. Show me the unreliable claims and the right wing christian sources. The few right wing sources that were quoted DID provide sources for their claims. That's why I quoted them. If you have an issue with their claim, then address that. Simply stating "they're right wing christian bigot!!!11!!11!" isn't a valid rebuttal.

And your laughable assertion of "may be lunatic homosexuals out there" doesn't explain that these aren't simply homosexuals who have been arrested. The quotes I'm providing are from LEADERS of the homosexual movement and many of them are quoted by homosexuals in defense of their perverse lifestyle. But when they start talking about pedophilia, all of a sudden you don't want to claim them.

Let me ask you a couple things Setanta... let's say that your assertion and the assertion of those others is true that a male who wants to have sex with an underage male isn't actually a homosexual... he's some third kind of sexuality. If the man lived his life as a homosexual before you knew he liked children and you considered him to be a homosexual... did his sexuality just change because he was attracted to a child?

Also... at what age of the victim does the pedophile or pederast cease to be a pederast and become a homosexual? If the male is having sex with a 19 year old is he a pederast or a homosexual? How about 18? 16? 14? 12? 10? When does he cease to become a homosexual and start to be a pederast?

That entire line of thinking is simply absurd.

It's really quite simple.

If a male has sex with a female then he is a heterosexual. If a male has sex with an underage female then he is a heterosexual pedophile.

If a male has sex with a male then he is a homosexual. If a male has sex with an underage male then he is a homosexual pedophile.

But you can't accept that can you Setanta? Because if that's the case then the homosexual community has a serious problem.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 11:16 am
This is the operative line from the abstract i quoted:

Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1.

Eleven to one, heterosexual to homosecual sex offenders against children. Does that not sink in with you? The two to one figure is for for female victims to male victims--it makes no claim about the gender or sexual orientation of the offeder.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 11:17 am
By the way, i did not at any time say "christian bigot"--i guess you're lying through our teeth. Or are you admitting to being a christian bigot?
Shadow X
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 12:34 pm
@Setanta,
You do understand that the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual males is MUCH higher than 11:1 right? That means heterosexuals are UNDERrepresented in that sampling whereas homosexuals are OVERrepresented.... Learn to read statistics.

That's what the actual study says if you would go read it. But you'd rather continue in your ignorance and think that you've made a point when you've failed miserably.
Shadow X
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 12:37 pm
@Setanta,
Shocking... the homosexual advocate refuses to answer the questions posed to them and simply attacksthe opposition.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 12:48 pm
@Shadow X,
go f*** yourself ! There now you can cry 10 pages about ad hominem ! Your are making me want to be in favour of Gay marriage just to not put up with apes like you ! You make my cause on cultural distinctions between different groups look superfluous !
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 01:02 pm
@Shadow X,
I'm not a homosexual advocate, i'm just bigoted against them. I only surmised that you might be lying through your teeth after you did the same for me. Finally, i asked you if you're a christian bigot, because you brought it up, not me. I asked you, i didn't say that you were. You really need to make this an adversarial, emotive and angry issue, huh?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 01:18 pm
@Shadow X,
I guess you don't understand statistics. I've never denied that there are homosexual child molesters. You are alleging that homosexuals are by their nature child molesters, and you've provided no evidence that that is true. You have also attemped to suggest that the majority of child molesters are homosexuals. You haven't shown that, either.

By the way, i suspect that what you would allege is the proportion of heterosexuals to homosexuals is as skewed as your so-called evidence. For example, among minority communities, men and women will identify themselves as "non-heterosexual" rather than lesbian, bay or bi-sexual. That skews the figures. Furthermore, on voluntary census questionnaires, lesbian, gay and bi-sexual people will identify themsevles as being attracted to the same sex, without having identified themselves as lesbian, gay or bi-sexual. Social pressures are such that in some areas, many people still think it is dangerous to identify themselves as homosexual.

Homosexuals would only be over-represented if they were less than 9% of the population based on the numbers given. In San Francisco, Seattle, Atlanta, Minneapolis and Boston, people self-identifying as homosexual make up more than 12% of the population. In Sacramento and Portland, they are under 10%, but well over one twelfth. (So you won't get confused, the one twelfth refers to the 11:1 ratio of heterosexual child abusers to homosexual child abusers.)

You're the one who doesn't seem to understand statistics. The figures above are from: Gary J. Gates, Same-sex Couples and the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Population: New Estimates from the American Community Survey, The Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation Law and Public Policy, UCLA School of Law October, 2006.
Shadow X
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 01:45 pm
@Setanta,
I've already asked you to back up your claim that the sources I provided were incorrect. You haven't provided one single shred of information as to why anything in those sources I provided is incorrect. The only thing you've done is call them christian right wingers... and you haven't even backed that up.

BTW I wasn't saying you called anyone a bigot... I stated that saying someone is a rightwing christian bigot isn't a valid defense. In otherwords... when you say "those sources aren't true because they're puking right-wing christian ideas"... doesn't make it true. Provide something to back up that claim.

Pay attention... this is how you address the argument and not attack the speaker:

This is from the website that the source you just gave comes from:

http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/how-many-gay-people-are-there-in-america-nope-youre-wrong/

In surveys conducted in 2002 and 2011, pollsters at Gallup found that members of the American public massively overestimated how many people are gay or lesbian. In 2002, a quarter of those surveyed guessed upwards of a quarter of Americans were gay or lesbian (or “homosexual,” the third option given). By 2011, that misperception had only grown, with more than a third of those surveyed now guessing that more than 25 percent of Americans are gay or lesbian. Women and young adults were most likely to provide high estimates, approximating that 30 percent of the population is gay. Only 4 percent of all those surveyed in 2011 and about 8 percent of those surveyed in 2002 correctly guessed that fewer than 5 percent of Americans identify as gay or lesbian.

Notice the end... only 4%... correctly guessed that FEWER THAN 5 PERCENT of Americans identify as gay or lesbian.

Like I said. Please do a little more research and I won't have to do it for you.

So now that you see that... are you willing to admit that homosexuals are overrepresented in the pedophilia statistics while heterosexuals are underrepresented? Or are you still going to continue to be dishonest?
Shadow X
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 04:55 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Is that your rebuttal to me providing you statistical evidence that lesbians are overrepresented FAR more than heterosexual women in regards to pedophilia?

That's deep.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jun, 2013 05:26 pm
@Shadow X,
Yeah its the perfectly fitting perfectly adequate kind of rebuttal you deserve...by the way you were the one supposed to show the relation distinguishing lesbians from gays, that if is if you want to sustain your claim...don't go on inverting the problem. Is up to you to make a strong case rather then showing a weak correlation.
 

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