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The only reason Hitler is seen as a monster is that he brought colonialism to Europe

 
 
Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2013 12:58 am
If Hitler had killed mostly non-whites instead, the West would not have reacted in the same way. Nobody would have condemned him for being a racist, genocidal monster and nobody would have ignored his atrocities.

Britain was putting blacks in the empire into camps right up until the 50s and no one raised an eyebrow, the only reason Hitler is seen as a monster is that he bought colonialism to Europe. Belgium alone managed to kill off 13 million people in the Congo in a period of 25 years and nobody raised any eyebrows. Nobody cared about the concentration camps in Namibia and the experimentation and genocide of the Herero and Namaqua because they were black, and is one reason why Hitler is far more vilified than Wilhelm II. Another reason is, as you mentioned, the Allied nations committing the same atrocities on their subjects but because they're the winning side and the losers were non-whites, nobody cares.

Perhaps I've gone too far for Belgium's case. The Casement Report and E. D. Morel's Congo Reform Association were a pretty big stir at the time. Not to mention that I'm pretty certain that Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness was set in the Congo Free State, which is a novel still studied to this day.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2013 09:59 am
@cicibebe,
cicibebe wrote:

If Hitler had killed mostly non-whites instead, the West would not have reacted in the same way. Nobody would have condemned him for being a racist, genocidal monster and nobody would have ignored his atrocities.

Britain was putting blacks in the empire into camps right up until the 50s and no one raised an eyebrow, the only reason Hitler is seen as a monster is that he bought colonialism to Europe. Belgium alone managed to kill off 13 million people in the Congo in a period of 25 years and nobody raised any eyebrows. Nobody cared about the concentration camps in Namibia and the experimentation and genocide of the Herero and Namaqua because they were black, and is one reason why Hitler is far more vilified than Wilhelm II. Another reason is, as you mentioned, the Allied nations committing the same atrocities on their subjects but because they're the winning side and the losers were non-whites, nobody cares.

Perhaps I've gone too far for Belgium's case. The Casement Report and E. D. Morel's Congo Reform Association were a pretty big stir at the time. Not to mention that I'm pretty certain that Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness was set in the Congo Free State, which is a novel still studied to this day.


Two "wrongs" do not make a "right."
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jan, 2013 04:18 pm
@cicibebe,
You're totally nuts, aren't you, cicibebe? I feel compassion for you.
cicibebe
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2013 03:59 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:
You're totally nuts, cicibebe?


Sometimes I am.
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sunofrah
 
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Reply Sat 13 Apr, 2013 04:19 am
@cicibebe,
Perhaps. It is interesting to think how this would have affected the declining British empire. Britain was seen as weak by Hitler for giving in to Gandhi's passive resistance movement. He couldn't understand why the British didn't just shoot them all. Either such brutality would have strengthened imperialist attitudes in the empire or weakened them. I don't think the British public would have approved judging by their support for the Indians.

I think novels like Heart of Darkness did a lot to make people aware of the real purpose of empire; as essentially a racket without policing. Even though you still hear BBC reporters banging on about Britain's gentrification of the third world.

On a parallel, the USA committed first hand and through proxy regimes very similar atrocities in Asia and South America and that without any real opposition. Certainly no one likens Kennedy, Nixon or Reagan with Hitler and Stalin. Yet together they are responsible for the deaths of millions of unarmed non-combatants whose only crime was to want to decide how their country was run.

My point is that most Germans and Americans accepted and even supported the genocide perpetrated by their leaders, but perhaps only because it was THEIR leaders who were guilty. When another country commits such crimes, their barbarity is never really questioned (unless they are our friends).
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