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The Gun Fight in Washington. Your opinons?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 03:13 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You missed the import of that message. Mr. Green
Is English your primary language? LOL

They contend that only 50% are reported to police. DUH!
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 03:23 pm
http://www.mrconservative.com/files/2013/03/R5.jpg
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 03:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
They contend that only 50% are reported to police. DUH!


That is a guess with what backing?.....DUH yourself
parados
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 03:55 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
You aren't aware of the national crime victimization survey David?

http://bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=dcdetail&iid=245
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 03:56 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Quote:
They contend that only 50% are reported to police. DUH!


That is a guess with what backing?.....DUH yourself

No, it would be with well researched statistics.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 04:27 pm


It is your choice to jump without a chute and I support your right to choose.

It is my choice to own firearms, do you support my right to choose?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 05:28 pm
@parados,
Quote:
No, it would be with well researched statistics.


Hopefully better/more honest researched surveys then the ones who had come up with the claims that one in four college girls was raped during their four years in college.

Surveys can be design to come up with any results the servers wish for.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 05:30 pm
@BillRM,
Bill, Try to do some homework on any subject you plan to offer an opinion, because 9 times out of 10, you're WRONG!@

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_rape
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 May, 2013 05:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Some people just can't handle the truth; that they are really, really, stupid!
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 9 May, 2013 03:33 am
@cicerone imposter,
U don't get the idea,
even when it is pointed out to u:
If the alleged crimes were NOT reported,
then HOW coud thay possibly have counted them
(to know any percentage) ?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 9 May, 2013 04:09 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

U don't get the idea,
even when it is pointed out to u:
If the alleged crimes were NOT reported,
then HOW coud thay possibly have counted them
(to know any percentage) ?


There are ways and means, maybe this helps.

Quote:
All crime is under-reported. The 'unknown' figure of crime (i.e. the total reported and unreported crimes) is called the 'dark figure' of crime.

There are several ways to get at the dark figure. The most common is through representative victimization surveys. These are quite common in the US and Europe, and there are even some decent cross-national victimization surveys (ICVS). Victims surveys essentially ask respondents if they have been victimized over the past 12 months, in what way, and how many times.

Victimization surveys-if representative-can give a more accurate view of the prevalence of certain under-reported types of crime, such as sexual assault. Of course there will still be under-reporting (people will not want to tell interviewers about touchy subjects), and respondents are known to telescope (i.e. remember and recount events that happened outside the time period), but in general victimization surveys are considered a reliable source for under-reported crimes.

Another, lesser used option, is to get raw, anonymous accident and emergency data from hospitals (see Jonathan Shepherd's work). A&E data are limited of course by severity - not all sexual assault victims (or physical assault victims for that matter) will go to the emergency room for care. But again, it avoids the issues involved in reporting (particularly sensitive) crimes to the police.


http://www.reddit.com/r/AskSocialScience/comments/187vsz/how_are_statistics_on_unreported_crimes_such_as/
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 9 May, 2013 08:09 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

U don't get the idea,
even when it is pointed out to u:
If the alleged crimes were NOT reported,
then HOW coud thay possibly have counted them
(to know any percentage) ?

Are you still ignoring the NCVS which has been conducted since 1973.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 May, 2013 08:50 am
@OmSigDAVID,
You continue to ask questions about the "how" when it's been explained.
Rather than challenging how they arrive at percentages, what is your source of information? Your brain? FYI, that's really, really, unreliable.

Research on such subjects are done from different aspects and people, and the combined consistency provides them with the percentages.

You just can't handle the truth; that's a FACT.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 9 May, 2013 09:03 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Research on such subjects are done from different aspects and people, and the combined consistency provides them with the percentages.


It all depend on the researchers and the peer review if any as I already stated there had been history of studies paid for by DOJ grants that had been complete nonsense.

Such studies had gotten very very high results for domestic violence by defining it by if your partner had ever yelled at you or curse at you and defining sexual assault as happening if you had ever feel pressure to have sex by your partner.

You need a lot more details to judge if any such studies have any relationship with the real world including the peer reviews if any.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 May, 2013 09:09 am
@BillRM,
You wrote,
Quote:
It all depend on the researchers and the peer review if any as I already stated there had been history of studies paid for by DOJ grants that had been complete nonsense.


Okay, show us why they have "been complete nonsense?" Also, show us "your" research to refute their findings?

Challenge any way you care to the claim made by the FBI in the following article.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2005/winter/hate-crime#.UYu8f7WG2So
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 9 May, 2013 09:33 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Okay, show us why they have "been complete nonsense?" Also, show us "your" research to refute their findings?


One there is a whole long thread where I had discuss some of the studies that the DOJ had paid for that is nonsense and I am not going to repeat all those posting here. Do a google search for them.

Next you are claiming those crime studies are valid therefore it is your job not mine when challenge to show us all that they are valid peer review studies not the other way around.

Footnote is every such study I had seen the DOJ placed a disclaimer at the head of the studies that they do not vouch for the results of those studies.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 May, 2013 10:00 am
@BillRM,
You wrote,
Quote:
Footnote is every such study I had seen the DOJ placed a disclaimer at the head of the studies that they do not vouch for the results of those studies.


Please cut and paste from any DOJ research with such a statement. ANY.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 May, 2013 10:05 am
@cicerone imposter,
I don't see any "disclaimer" on this study.

Quote:
Drugs And Crime Facts, 1989
January 1, 1990 NCJ 121022

Victims of rape and assault were more likely than robbery victims to report that the offenders had used drugs or alcohol. In 43 percent of violent crimes, the victims reported that they did not know if the offender was under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Victims of robbery were more likely than other victims to report that they did not know if the offenders had used drugs or alcohol. Most State prison inmates (54 percent) in 1986 reported that they were under the influence of drugs or alcohol or both at the time they committed the offense for which they were currently sentenced: 17 percent were under the influence of drugs only, and 18 percent were under the influence of drugs and alcohol. More than half (52 percent) of the State prisoners said they had taken illegal drugs during the month before committing the crime, and 43 percent said they had used drugs on a daily basis in that month. Drug offenders and burglars were the most likely to have been under the influence of drugs at the time of their offense. 18 source notes.

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 9 May, 2013 10:32 am
@parados,
I don't have much faith in alleged facts
which were not subjected to verification.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 May, 2013 10:55 am
@OmSigDAVID,
YOu have a habit of ignoring verified facts.

From today's San Jose Mercury News.
Quote:
Family dispute led to San Jose's 14th homicide, relatives say

By Eric Kurhi
[email protected]
Posted: 05/09/2013 08:22:12 AM PDT

SAN JOSE -- An argument between family members ended in the city's 14th homicide of the year on Wednesday, when a man visiting from Modesto was shot to death inside an East San Jose home, relatives said.
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