The Gun Fight in Washington. Your opinons?

Too bad the Supreme Court doesn't agree with that extremely peculiar interpretation of the Bill of Rights, David.

@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Too bad the Supreme Court doesn't agree with that extremely peculiar interpretation of the Bill of Rights, David.

Shouldn't be too much longer before the Supreme Court rules that Americans have the right to carry guns when we go about in public, even in our largest cities.

We have the "shall issue" point of view confirmed en banc in Chicago.

We have several other circuits disagreeing.

And we have Mr. Gura's case in Maryland headed for en banc review.

Would have been nice if the three judge panel had agreed with Gura, but ultimately it will be Justice Scalia writing the majority opinion for the Supreme Court, and that will be the only ruling that counts in this case.

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You're going to be bitterly disappointed. Scalia told you gun zealots specifically that the second amendment is not unlimited. Speaking for the majority in Heller he affirmed that guns can be regulated, as has been done for centuries in common law, as can manufacture and sale of guns. Gun use outside the home is legally regarded as very different from gun use in the home. You're going to lose concealed carry and open carry, by at least 5-4 and possibly even 6-3 or 7-2. that's just the way it is.

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@MontereyJack,

We liberty lovers will win freedom to carry in the streets
(HELLER already said as much directly in dicta) n we will
win freedom to carry interstate, uniting the right to carry
in public places with the right to travel, but u r correct
that Justice Scalia favors allowing some degree
of state regulation, yet to be determined,
the same as free speech does not justify causing
public disturbances or verbal fraud.

For instance, I don't know how he feels qua states
requiring open carry, or prohibitions of drunken carry, etc.
He might lean either way.

Presumably, EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAW
will eradicate the discrimination of licensure
to defend your life from predatory violence.

David

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

You're going to be bitterly disappointed.

Not very likely. There are five justices on the Supreme Court who do not hate the Constitution the way so many Democrats do.

MontereyJack wrote:

Scalia told you gun zealots specifically that the second amendment is not unlimited.

Not one of us ever said it was. But the fact that there are limits does not in any way change the reality that the Constitution protects our right to carry handguns when we go about in public.

MontereyJack wrote:

Speaking for the majority in Heller he affirmed that guns can be regulated, as has been done for centuries in common law, as can manufacture and sale of guns.

That does not in any way change the reality that the Constitution protects our right to carry handguns when we go about in public.

(And note that he did not suggest that "all" regulations are allowed. Any regulation would have to pass muster with the appropriate standard of judicial review.)

MontereyJack wrote:

Gun use outside the home is legally regarded as very different from gun use in the home.

No, only somewhat different. And the difference is not significant enough to change the reality that the Constitution protects our right to carry handguns when we go about in public.

MontereyJack wrote:

You're going to lose concealed carry and open carry, by at least 5-4 and possibly even 6-3 or 7-2. that's just the way it is.

You forget that the Republican justices do not hate the Constitution.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Gun use outside the home is legally regarded
as very different from gun use in the home.

I love how the 7th US Circuit Court of Appeals
put it in Moore v. Madigan: the place where you have
a right to defend yourself is the place where you are attacked.

David

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Another red line is being drawn in the sand...

Obama, allies try to revive gun control push despite Senate defeat

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Another red line is being drawn in the sand...

Obama, allies try to revive gun control push despite Senate defeat

Yes. It's not enough that Obama has exhausted his political capital and will now achieve nothing in his second term, leading to a Republican presidential victory in 2016. The Democrats also want to make sure NRA voters are fully activated through 2014 and into the presidential season.

It would be interesting to hear what historians will one day say about this. I presume they'll be dumbfounded by the strategy.

And speaking of Obama's exhausted political capital, you should hear his press conference this week if you haven't already. He tried to explain to a room of skeptical reporters why he isn't a washed up has-been. He failed.

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@oralloy,

Have you read the GITMO question and answer session oralloy?

At least The Queen takes Her subjects seriously.

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@spendius,

Jay Leno tells Obama how to close GITMO:

'Declare it a Small Business and Tax it Out of Existence'

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@MontereyJack,

The biggest problem about the gun lobby is their mis-representation of what the liberals are trying to do with gun "control." They are not trying to take away guns from Americans, but that's the message most Americans hear. They must be pretty stupid!

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

Have you read the GITMO question and answer session oralloy?
At least The Queen takes Her subjects seriously.

I heard the questions and answers and I paid a bit of attention at the time, but I can't recall the exact details right now.

I do recall that one of the reporters who was giving analytical commentary said that they had talked to White House staffers off the record to see what the new plan was, and the answer was that there is no new plan. It's all talk.

I don't really see why it matters either way. The detainees are still going to be held as POWs until the end of the war. Whether they are held at Guantanamo or directly on US soil won't change a thing.

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re oralloy:
now that you're all whoopdedoo about Obama riling people up, consider what the numbers tell you about what's REALLY likely to happen if people get mad:

90% of Americans support strict background checks on gun purchases.
88% of gun owners support strict background checks.
86% of NRA members support strict background checks.

Republicans support strict background checks 68% to 19%.

Looks like Wayne LaPierre after months of this is speaking pretty much just for himslef, you, and H2Oman.

Ain't a whole lot of riled-up people gonna be on his side, as opposed to a couple hundred million against you.

Keep in mind also that the Senate "defeat" was brought about by an absolute MINORITY of senators. An absoluteMAJORITY of senators voted to bring the gun control legislation forward. And a fair number
those who voted against it are getting a lot of heat at home for their vote.
You represent a whole lot fewer people than you think you do

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@MontereyJack,

Here's the latest from the NRA.

Quote:

NRA official: 'Culture war' more than gun rights
By JIM VERTUNO and JUAN A. LOZANO | Associated Press – 1 hr 3 mins

HOUSTON (AP) — The National Rifle Association kicked off its annual convention Friday with a warning to its members they are engaged in a "culture war" that stretches beyond gun rights, further ramping up emotions surrounding the gun control debate.

Can anybody explain what they mean by Culture War?

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Yes. Americans want a civil society, where people aren't shooting at each other all the time. That's our culture. The NRA, on the other hand, wants freedom for every drug lord, gangbanger, and general criminal to buy a gun with no background check. Then it tells us everybody else needs to have a gun to protect ourselves from heavily armed drug lords, gangbangers, and general criminals. That's their sick culture.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

The NRA, on the other hand, wants freedom for every drug lord, gangbanger, and general criminal to buy a gun with no background check.

Background checking your claims before going public could
have prevented you from making a stupid ass of yourself.

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Hard for you to face the truth, isn't it, H2?

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@H2O MAN,

From the WP.

Quote:

But moving forward, things are not going to be as easy for the NRA . Not as long as gun control activists are expected to keep up their fight. To maintain its position as a group that that makes lawmakers think twice about crossing, the NRA faces new challenges. How ready and able it is for those challenges will say a lot about the future of the organization’s heft in politics.

Time will tell.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

90% of Americans support strict background checks on gun purchases.

But do they want the illicit gun registration scheme the Democrats are adding to their background check legislation?

Would they still support background checks if they knew that the Democrats have begun to use the system to block gun purchases by law-abiding citizens?

MontereyJack wrote:

88% of gun owners support strict background checks.

See above.

MontereyJack wrote:

86% of NRA members support strict background checks.

No they don't.

MontereyJack wrote:

Looks like Wayne LaPierre after months of this is speaking pretty much just for himslef, you, and H2Oman.

No, he speaks for the rank and file voters of the NRA.

MontereyJack wrote:

Ain't a whole lot of riled-up people gonna be on his side, as opposed to a couple hundred million against you.

Wrong. There are a lot of us, and we're all set to vote anyone out of office if they are in a rural district and support gun control.

MontereyJack wrote:

You represent a whole lot fewer people than you think you do

No I don't.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Hard for you to face the truth, isn't it, H2?

Since the Republicans now have a guaranteed presidential win in 2016, I hope they nominate Jeb. I could go for another 8 years of having a Bush in the White House.

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