The Gun Fight in Washington. Your opinons?

@BillRM,

Just looking at US murder rates in isolation is not the right way to determine if murder rates are too high, or low by our own country's history.

What matters is how we compare to other highly developed countries - or all other countries. From that vantage point, our country's murder rate is relatively high; nothing to brag about that our murder rate has dropped.

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@cicerone imposter,

Other nations murder rates some of which are lower then the US does not change the fact in the US we are at a 50 years low and that is not the impression that our news media and anti guns supporters are giving the american people to say the least as they are dishonestly selling the idea that we have a crisis that now call for new laws and a great many new restrictions on the right to have firearms.

A crisis that for some strange reason that did not exist in the 1980s when the murder rate was double what it is now!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry there is no indication that we have any crisis that is in anyway real or that the murder rate would response to stricter guns laws when the murder rate had no history of following the numbers of guns in the society for the last hundred years or so at least.

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@BillRM,

In your eyes, Columbine and Newtown are not crisis, but the parents of those dead children sees them as a crisis. Have you ever lost a child to gun violence?

I haven't, and I hope I never experience such in my lifetime - even though our children are adults.

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@cicerone imposter,

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n your eyes, Columbine and Newtown are not crisis, but the parents of those dead children sees them as a crisis. Have you ever lost a child to gun violence?

I haven't, and I hope I never experience such in my lifetime - even though our children are adults.

Sorry but we are a nation of 300 millions people and we have one of the poorest mental health system in the advance world with our police and our jails being the ones who primarily are dealing with our severely mentally ill instead of doctors and mental hospital as the nations who do have those lower murder rates you are so impress with!!!!!!!

If your concern is the rare mass killings by those mentally ill individuals I would suggest spending funds to allow them to be treated in mental hospitals instead of a revolving door of our local jails before they go on a killing spree with a gun or a knife or a can of gasoline as something like thirty percents of all inmates in local jails should be in mental hospitals.

But then the arguments that we need to give up our freedoms for the welfare of children have no end point at all now does it???????

Large numbers of children had been killed in other countries by edge weapons so we will need to take all edge weapons away also for the safety of the children.

One thing we can not do it would seems is to offer them armed security protection.

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@cicerone imposter,

Per 100,000 population, here's the murder rate by country:
US 4.2
Canada 1.6
Argentina 3.4
China 1.0
Taiwan 3.2
Germany 0.8
Japan o.4
South Korea 2.6
Singapore 0.3
India 3.4
Czech Republic 1.7
Hungary 1.3
Denmark 0.9
Finland 2.2
Norway 0.6
Austria 0.6
France 1.1
Germany 0.8
Netherlands 1.1
Switzerland 0.7
Australia 1.0
New Zealand 0.9

The US murder rate just because it's now lowest in 50 years means absolutely nothing! It's still high by world standards.

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@BillRM,

India and China both have over one billion population, and their murder rate is much lower than the US.

What you are missing is that those rates are per 100,000 population; it's highest in the US.

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@cicerone imposter,

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The US murder rate just because it's now lowest in 50 years means absolutely nothing! It's still high by world standards

A large percent of those "extra" killing have to do with drugs gangs and a subset of black Americans with no future because we are not willing once more to spent the funds to save them even when they are part of the children you claimed to be so so concern about or are you only concern about white children?

In any case ,the leading cause of young black males are other young black males instead of for all other grouping in the US where accidents are the leading cause of deaths and murder and killing are way way down the list.

Strange as white children and Latin children and so on are all living in the same society with the same numbers of firearms around as black children so death by violence is not related to the numbers of guns.

You and people like you are condemning a lot of our young people to death because you do not care to look at the real problems that result in violence deaths and it is not the numbers of guns around.

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@BillRM,

Doesn't matter what causes the killings. It's up to the government to control violence. That means equal opportunities to attend schools, graduate, and have the opportunity to find a job and earn money in developed countries.

Your myopia about blacks killing blacks shows how ignorant you are about who's been killing our children in schools.

Your opinion that the number of guns has no relationship to violence is about the most ignorant statement I've seen on a2k.

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@cicerone imposter,

Here's some statistics on firearms. It's from Wiki; study it.

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In 2009, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 66.9% of all homicides in the United States were perpetrated using a firearm.[5] There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.[6] Two-thirds of all gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides. In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicide deaths, and 11,078 firearm-related homicide deaths in the United States.[7]

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@cicerone imposter,

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Your opinion that the number of guns has no relationship to violence is about the most ignorant statement I've seen on a2k.

Oh the murder rate had over the years/decades had change in a range of 4.6 per 100 thousands to 10.5 or so with roughly the same numbers of guns being available to the population during this whole period. Hell the now murder rate went to half of it 1980s value are you claiming the numbers of guns went down by half also since the 1980s?

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Your myopia about blacks killing blacks shows how ignorant you are about who's been killing our children in schools.

Playing games going from the rare cases of mass murders in schools instead of my comments concerning the overall murder rate where black young men are indeed sadly the leading cause of deaths of others black young men. This is not open to argument as the information can be found on the cdc site as well as other places.

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Doesn't matter what causes the killings. It's up to the government to control violence. That means equal opportunities to attend schools, graduate, and have the opportunity to find a job and earn money in developed countries.

Bullshits as it you supported wasting resources on guns controls instead of spending the resources where it matter far more you are indeed part of the problem that will result in more deaths not less deaths.

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@BillRM,

And white kids or adults killing white school children; which is worse?

You're still confused about those numbers, aren't you?

It's not about the number of guns; it's about how guns are used to kill others. The US has one of the highest rates per 100,000 population. It doesn't matter whether it's about drugs, blacks on blacks, or anything else. IT'S THE HIGHEST RATE OF THE COUNTRIES LISTED.

Nobody here is denying the ownership of guns in the US; that's protected by our Constitution.

It's the number of killings by guns; it's one of the highest rates in the developed countries of the world.

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@cicerone imposter,

Break out the white murder rate by guns or any other means and it is very similar to nations with strict gun controls the number being around 2.6 per hundred thousands.

We sadly have a drug gang and a large subset of our black citizens that we had written off that had tend to make our overall murder rate higher then others nations.

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@H2O MAN,

If they are going to be that absurd, why not require men have their unit measured and not sell to any man who had one too short. Isnt it said men only buy guns to make up for inferior length? Wow, anger management would count out all sorts of people, including a helluva lot of cops!

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@BillRM,

You are dense! It doesn't matter which race, culture, or religion they belong to; they're all US citizens. You just can't grasp that simple idea, because you're a bigot!

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@genefog2,

And what if you happen to be a grower and not a shower or it's cold when the measurement is taken?

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@cicerone imposter,

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You are dense! It doesn't matter which race, culture, or religion they belong to; they're all US citizens. You just can't grasp that simple idea, because you're a bigot!

It does matter when then the cause of the larger killings/murder rate of a subgroup seems to have little if anything to do with guns availability that is the same for all groups in society.

But then this murders rate that is at a fifty years low is an excuse to try to gain support for the disarming of the American people as there is little or no wishes to find means of reducing the murder rates that does not involved attempts to disarm the american people in fact there is a drive to keep our children at schools at risk by trying to block granting them the protection of armed security.

Subnote as far as my being a bigot I am the one who wish us to addresses the issues that not only of having the cause of deaths amount our young black men other young back men but of having more black men behind bars then was in slavery in the year 1840 or we having more black men in prisons then in colleges or in my state of Florida one third of all adults black males can not vote due to past felony convictions.

It is people like you that do not care about the safety of our children or the welfare of our black citizens or anything else but only in finding excuses to disarmed the population.

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Whatever Obama & Biden come up with to further disarm law abiding
Americans we can all count on their plan being arbitrary and capricious.

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@H2O MAN,

They're not making any attempts to take away firearms from "law abiding Americans." You really are stupid!

Why do you continue to make yourself look so dumb? It must take a special kind of character to want to look so stupid to the world.

I think your mother drowned your brains when you were a child.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

They're not making any attempts to take away firearms from "law abiding Americans."

If you don't understand what their true goal is then you are a special kind of stupid.

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@H2O MAN,

True goal? LOL
What is their true goal, and when do you expect them to take away their Constitutionally guaranteed rights? When and how?

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