The War on Terror and the Implications of the Madrid Bombing

Hobit, I'm in no way defending duke of ellington or Christianity. I think he was just being silly. However he was referring to modern day Christianity which I think might have learnt something from its blood soaked past.
I don't think its fair to compare say..the Crusader's view of the infidel, with that of Dr Rowan Williams, current Archbishop of Cantebury. It gets us nowhere trying to outdo the other in terms of bestiality. My take on religion in general is that it makes for two types of people, the deluded and the dangerously deluded. And of the three Abrahamic religions, Christianity is founded on a fairy tale, Judaism is based on racism, and Islam is founded on pillage. Hope thats upset everyone equally.

Regarding your comment about Israeli fascism, found this in today's newstatesman magazine, John Pilger writing about Israel

"In understanding Israel's enduring colonial role in the Middle East, it is too simple to see the outrages of Ariel Sharon as an aberrant version of a democracy that lost its way. The myths that abound in middle class Jewish homes in Britain about Israel's heroic, noble birth have long been re-inforced by a "liberal" or "left wing" Zionism as virulent and essentially destructivve as the Likud strain.

In recent years the truth has come from Israels own "new historians", who have revealed that the Zionist "idealists" of 1948 had no intention of treating justly or even humanely the Palestinians, who instead were systematically and often murderously driven from their homes. The most courageous of these historians is Ilan Pappe, an Israeli-born professor at Haifa University, who, with the publication of each of his ground breaking books, has been both acclaimed and smeared. The latest is A History of Modern Palestine, in which he documents the expulsion of Palestinians as an orchestrated crime of ethnic cleansing that tore apart Jews and Arabs coexisting peacefully. As for the modern "peace process", he describes the Oslo Accords of 1993 as a plan by liberal Zionists in the Israeli Labour Party to corral Palestinians in South African style bantustans. That they were aided by a desperate Palestinian leadership made the "peace" and its "failure" (blamed on the Palestinians) no less counterfeit. During the years of negotiation and raised hopes, governments in Tel Aviv secretly doubled the number of illegal Jewish settlements on Palestinian land, intensified the military occupation and completed the fragmentation of the 22 per cent of historic Palestine that the Palestine Liberation Organisation had agreed to accept in return for recognising the state of Israel".

yeah....you may be right, but who cares ! I am entitled to an opinion, right ?



This good things came from Arabs, not islam ! islam produced talibans;


Yeah, ok....how about the people killed in Spain, or 9/11 or Bali ? Christianity has its own demons of the past, but is IN THE PAST, islam is doing it now, and has done it in the past too;


Absolutely right !


When was the last time when you have been in the Middle East - probably never - try to tell them that you are a good American, peace loving and you respect islam....just try that.


Yeah you are right, I am the devil ...a stupid ignorant redneck, but tell that to the families of the dead too !!!!

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Do you think those Arabs were Christians or Hindus or ...?

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I admit, you can't know that without having read some more threads here.

I visited Egypt and Jordan some ten years ago. I was treated very well without exception. People went out of their way to explain that they were upset at the American government, not the American people. (and please spare us all the agony. Don't compare Arabs with the terrorist bombers (here's betting he doesn't read this))



I don't need to. Most of the families of the victims of 9/11 already know this.

Many of them are working to increase tolerance between Arabs and the west, and some of them are actively opposing the war.

Duke, just to let you know, the sanctimonious "Rememebr 911" crap doesn't really work with me. My fiance was killed in the Pentagon crash. I refuse to buy into your brand of hate filled "patriotism."

Terrorist Islamic fundamentalism -nihilistic, radical and violent- rises, in the first place, against the majority of Muslims, who want Ijtihad (adaptation, accomodation) not Jihad (holy war).

It's interesting to notice that most of the suspects of the Madrid bombing are Moroccan, at a moment in which Morocco is going through a deep modernization phrase (without losing it's Islamic roots).
Let's not forget that there was a massive protest march against the 3/11 terrorist attack in Tangier, Morocco.

Sorry to hear that, really...
As you may see I am not from around here, but I do feel more American than many of Americans. I have found in this country more freedom than Europe will ever have. I have lived among arabs, and other nationalities. Most of them, and even the "moderates" are calling US the BIG SATAN. Why ? because they will never be able to have even 1/2 of the liberties in this country, and instead of trying to achieve it, they try to destroy it. What good does killing inocent people in a subway? None ! (oh well....yes they had some persuasion with bed wetting socialists in Spain).
Yes, I know I have offended some people here, and probably I should have not expressed this opinions so public....but at the moment I do see that the only way. Maybe I am narrow minded, but when you hear OBL saying that all taxpayers should be killed because they support US Govt. I think I am entitled to my views. Do I think the intervention in Iraq was OK? NO ! but this does not entitle this cowards to hit and run, and knowing that they have nothing to lose, and become "martyrs". Make them feel the same pain - no, here I am not a Christian, or I am old testament one- them and their families should feel the same pain like families of the ones killed in Spain so they will think twice. By demolishing the houses of the suicide bombers, Israelis are very soft handed, in my opinion.
This is my last post here any way - if I bothered a lot of people sorry ...but I will still maintain my opinions and more than ever fully support the US against these criminals. Mr. Hobitbob - again, it was a pleasure, and sorry for your loss.