dukeofellington wrote:Hello Hobitbob - please allow me to explain what I was trying to say:
- 1. I do not consider Islam as a religion - reason: In almost 1500 years of existence, I have not seen anything good deriving from this religion. They started killing their own brothers (shiai and sunnys),
Shia and Sunni are two of several hundred "flavours" of Islam. So this si actually an example of intra-Islalmaic violence.
Quote:they have invaded Europe and destroyed everywhere they have set foot
In 711 CE, the Muslim presence in Alberia began. For about 680 years the cities of this region were models of peace and prosperity. The first universities in Europe arose in this area, under Muslim rule. Jews often reached positions of high rank in court.
In the later 11th century, the Christians invaded to east, raping, pillaging,and looting as they went. They destroyed everythning that was in their way, including other Christians. During the siege of Jerusalem pretty much everyone was slaughtered, Jew, Christian, and Muslim.
Islam would have to go a long way to match the violent history of Chrisitanity.
Even the conquest of Constatinople in 1453, which ended the Byzantine empire, and inaugurated 400 years of Ottoman rule, resulted in Christians and Jews
still being allowed to practice.
Quote:(the Christians at least left churches behind them)
Bully for them.
Quote: - other than looting, raping, stealing and deceit I can not recollect anything good that this so called religion has done.
You really should at the very least audit a western civ class.
Quote:Oh well....you may say this is not according to islam, is the people that did that. True, but they all called themselves GOOD muslims !
Bishop Arnald Amlaric doubtless considered himself a "good Christian,"as did Louis IX, Hans Sprenger, etc....
Quote:Now, give me a single example where Christianity does not call for tolerance - I guess there is not any other single religion more tolerant than Christianity.
You really should at least attempt to be more of a challenge. Eusebius'
Contra Heretcae if probably the best place to start. I would also look at Augustine's
Confessio, and
Civitate Dei. From there a random sampling of religious writings from about 500CE to the present should provide you with many instances. Christianity has
never advocated toerance. It has loudly proclaimed as doctrine that all other religions are false and should be eradicated. Are you really so naive that you did not know this?
Quote: Do you think islam is a religion ? where women are treated and dealt as cattle, where in a "progressive" country like Saudi, a woman can not drive, or where a cover is required to get out of the house ? I think is more than "tribal tradition"
Actually, this is another example of local custom having been given a religious gloss. Although I certainly would never refer to the Knogdom as "progressive!" However, staying in that region, I suggest you do some research on Egypt, Jordan, the Lebanon, etc.. Those are semi-progressive nations. Report back here when you have realized your error.
Quote:- 2. I think is a brain washing technology (see - I didn't say religion) because is against the very human nature to go in a crowded area and blow yourself up "to get in heaven where 70 virgins are waiting for you".
What has this to do wtih Islam? This is an example of terrorist ideology witha thin veneer of religion.
Quote: The very animal nature of a human being tells you, that hurting yourself is bad, but this guys are so well brain washed that I wonder if any circumvolutions are left on their brain. Have you ever seen something like that in Christianity, I don't think so.
Well, yes, I have. A brief perusal of history would tell you this. Again, I reccomend at least auditing a Western Civ survey course.
Quote:- 3. Spain - they have given the wrong message out: CRIME PAYS. Period. Of course they are entitled to an opinion, to oppose the Iraq war, but this was the worst moment ever to show that - and don't forget, those 80% you mention, have also elected Aznar govt. as well - this will bite them back sooner or later, and not only them, but must of the Europe. Terror will now spread like cancer, in a more spectacular way, it has been proven that it works, and that by inducting fear, people will back down. sincerely, I am sorry for the Spaniards, very sorry, for their loss and for what they have done in the heat of the moment.
Blah blah blah..covered in other threads.
Quote:- 4. Dogma of islam - sharria law - You mention to love one's neighbor and do charity - that percentage that each muslim has to give to help others more unfortunate than them is a hidden funding for armies of blowing zombies.
Like corresponding Christian charities (Tom DeLay anyone?) the use of money goven as tithes varies from organization to organization. Nowhere does Sharia state: Give money to blow others up. Chrisitanity, however, did frequently solicit contributions to make war on others, often other Christians!
Quote: Those terrorist that blow themselves up, are doing a favor to the family because the leaders will support the family with money after the terrorist had accomplished a mission.
Of course, the money is comoing from political leaders, for a distinctly political act....
Quote:therefore more money will pour in, and more the leaders will have for themselves.
Well, you wouldn't expect the leaders to go into battle, now would you?
Quote: The terrorists have NOTHING to lose in this case. They are going to leave the family in good shape, and then they are worthless any way...so blowing themselves up, may give them a p.m. status.
Crudely put, but true. Many of the Suicide bombers in Palestine faced a future made excessively bleak by the Fascist Israeli government. They must certainly have felt that their political action would lend posthumous meaning to their lives.
Quote: I think the actual policy should change, when targeting a terrorist cell. Not only try to dismantle the cell, but also they should go for the families and relatives - so the terrorist will know that other close to him will have something to lose as well.
Well, that would certainly be in character for Christianity over the last 2000 years. Always delighted to see a "true Christian" like yourself throwing out all that touchy feely love your neighbor crap and advocating violence and killing of innocent people. tell me, did it give you a stiffy to think about it?
Seriously, you rail against the "evils of Islam," and then suggest that?
Quote:Now, I will be waiting for your comments.
Good for you, I'll be out enjoying the day and having sex with my girlfriend.
Ciao!
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