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The Real "constitutional amendment" Brewing

 
 
Umbagog
 
Reply Sat 13 Mar, 2004 08:29 pm
State Resolution Creates 'Insurance Policy' Against Martial Law, by Julie Foster - © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

An Arizona state legislative committee has approved a resolution calling for the dissolution of the federal government in the event that it abolishes the US Constitution, declares martial law or confiscates firearms -- scenarios some say are not unrealistic. Critics of the resolution, however, call the measure a "total waste of time."

Karen Johnson, Arizona state representative, a Mesa Republican and chair of the House Committee on Federal Mandates and States' Rights, authored the resolution which the committee approved 3-2. Only the committee's vice-chair, Republican Rep. Gail Griffin, abstained from voting.

Specifically, House Concurrent Resolution 2034 outlines the origin of the United States, emphasizing the sovereignty of the states and their constitutional right to "establish a new federal government for themselves by following the precedent established by Article VII, Constitution of the United States, in which nine of the existing thirteen states dissolved the existing Union under the Articles of Confederation and automatically
superceded the Articles."

It also articulates constitutional violations committed by the federal government as justification for the measure, saying "... the fifty current principals, or signatories, to the Constitution, have done well in honoring and obeying it, yet the federal agent has, for decades, violated it in both word and spirit. The many violations of the Constitution of the United States by the federal government include disposing of federal property without the approval of Congress, usurping jurisdiction from the states in such matters as abortion and firearms rights and seeking control of public lands within state borders," says the resolution.

By adopting HRC 2034, Arizona states its intention to dissolve the current federal government with the approval of 34 other states and, in essence, start over. Participating states would re-ratify and re-establish the present Constitution "as the charter for the formation of a new federal government, to be followed by the election of a new Congress and President and the reorganization of a new judiciary," in keeping with the original intent of the "founding fathers." Individual members of the military will return to their respective states and report to the governor until a new president is elected.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17396

3/4ths of the states number 37.5, the number needed to ratify any amendment to the Constitution.

Notice Arizona points to the federal government, not the republicans or the democrats.

A state declared its intention to secede from the Union, with the support of other states, before the actual secession happened, once, not so long ago, actually.

The idea of taking your martial law and shoving it is NOT a good advertisement to bolster Bush's cause during these troubled times.
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Charli
 
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Reply Sat 13 Mar, 2004 08:48 pm
CHANGING THE U.S. CONSTITUTION
This info is circulating on the web from several sources. Some truth in the "procedure"? Step 1 looks like a big hurdle.

Step 1: Two-thirds of the members in the U.S. House of Representatives
(290 members) and the U.S. Senate (67 senators) must vote to add or
change an amendment, or 2/3 -- 33 -- of the 50 state legislatures must
request the change through a Constitutional Convention.

Step 2: Three-fourths, or 38, of the 50 state legislatures must vote to
accept the change.
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Umbagog
 
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Reply Sat 13 Mar, 2004 09:20 pm
So it is 38/12 for adopting amendments. Thanks, I wasn't sure, since the actually math works out to 37.5.

A tough process to be sure, but as the article states, it will be a waste of time, because the tanks will roll in no matter what the laws are on the books, because martial laws suspends whatever is current.

But the expression of the concern is not without merit, which is why I allude to it being like a constitutional amendment. The South said much the same, and they meant it when the cannons starting showing up.

People who don't like federal government can be found all over the place, and rightly so. It was supposed to oversee the states, not dominate them.
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Umbagog
 
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Reply Sat 13 Mar, 2004 09:22 pm
And with this nation's biggest expansion of federal government ever, I'd say Arizona is right to be concerned. We should all be concerned. Central authority that expands its scope is after its own interests, not ours. Bush may call himself a republican, but he is actiing like a czar-wannabe.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Sat 13 Mar, 2004 11:45 pm
I won't be surprised.
If the USA is attacked within a few months and Martial Law is enacted and the elections postponed indefinetly.
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Charli
 
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Reply Sun 14 Mar, 2004 09:02 pm
NATIONAL POLICE FORCE
Wasn't Nixon the one who wanted a National Police Force? We don't have one - unless the FBI among other Federal Groups is counted. But what about a National Data Base? How close are we to that? And cameras everywhere? Big Brother is watching?

Gotta go out. I'll be back.
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