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Spain: Bombs Rip Through Train Stations At Rush Hour

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 15 Mar, 2004 02:47 pm
McTag wrote:
What, was there a football game this weekend? How did it go, Steve?
Take care, McTag: he'll report your post as being grossly offensive and distressing to literally millions of his fellow co-religionists as well!
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 15 Mar, 2004 03:39 pm
You too McTag...yellow card
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The Beat
 
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Reply Mon 15 Mar, 2004 06:46 pm
back to the thread
I am still not convinced that it was Al Qaeda. It's too easy to sluff it off on the old "bad guys".

This is possibly the work of several organizations, but the French have been scouring their train tracks for the past year or so in anticipation of just such a thing. They knew long in advance about this one. Shame on Aznar!!
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Tue 16 Mar, 2004 02:19 pm
Maybe a little bit late, but Walter Hinteler: what I said about the eight o'clock news here was there prediction about how it would turn out - I'll never trust the news again concerning election polls :wink: Anyway, I really think this was the work of Al Qaida or an Al-Qaida-related group. Did you know the bombings in Madrid were not only exactly 2,5 years after 9-11, but also 911 days after those fatal September day in 2001? I hope I can trust this newsfact - our newspaper reported it.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 16 Mar, 2004 03:36 pm
Rick d'Israeli wrote:
Did you know the bombings in Madrid were not only exactly 2,5 years after 9-11, but also 911 days after those fatal September day in 2001? I hope I can trust this newsfact - our newspaper reported it.


<counts>

I think it's true. Damn, that's trippy.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 16 Mar, 2004 04:33 pm
Well in Britain, the date is written 11/9 so that doesn't seem to count for much.
Also, 9/11 is a lot different from 911.
So this doesn't seem to amount to a hill of beans, is that the correct phrase?
But I quite like coincidences, usually.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 16 Mar, 2004 05:25 pm
9s11d is very nearly ten bob, quite different from 11/9 or 911.
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The Beat
 
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Reply Tue 16 Mar, 2004 05:48 pm
I would be verysurprised to hear that our Muslim bad guys
are into numerology.

To blatantly say that this was their hand in doing is still too easy. Aznar was convinced that it was ETA, and even tried to skew the evidence in that regard.

The people didn't believe him. And I don't believe we have all the relevant facts yet. We have a planted van with planted material inside. We have a phone card conveniently left in the one bomb that didn't explode. We also have not one, but three different messages from Al Qaeda claiming responsibility. Someone wants a quick decision on this so that they can go their merry way without a problem.

Since when did terror organizations feel the need to repeat themselves???

Too circumstantial.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 16 Mar, 2004 06:52 pm
Bombers Identified?
Quote:
Police 'identify' Madrid bombers
Spain is still deep in mourning for the victims
Spanish police are reported to have identified six Moroccans who they believe carried out the Madrid bomb attacks that have killed 201 people.

Five of the suspects are still at large but one is in custody, the Spanish newspaper El Pais quotes security sources as saying.

The man, named as Jamal Zougam, is reported to have been identified by people who survived Thursday's blasts.

Mr Zougam was arrested on Saturday with two other Moroccans and two Indians.

The number killed in the attacks has risen with the death of a 45-year woman. The figure is one short of the 202 people killed in Bali in October 2002 when a nightclub was bombed.




Security sources told El Pais that the six Moroccans might have formed only part of the group behind the attacks and that militants from other countries might also have been involved.

An interior ministry spokesman Juan de Dios Colmenero told the Associated Press that he could not confirm the reports in El Pais.

The BBC's Chris Morris in Madrid says the investigation is still in its infancy but there are already suspicions that the blasts could be linked to the leading Islamic militant, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who is wanted by the United States for a series of attacks in Iraq and elsewhere.

Meanwhile, police in the Basque city of San Sebastian have arrested an Algerian man who in January allegedly threatened to massacre people in Madrid, but initial reports suggest he is not a prime suspect.

Solidarity

The focus is falling increasingly on Morocco; Moroccan security officials are helping Spanish police.

The BBC's Pascale Harter in Tangier says there is great anger among Moroccans as the Spanish investigation seems to be leading back to their country.

A state-organised demonstration is due to take place in Tangier later on Tuesday, which is expected to be well attended.

People want a chance to express their solidarity with Spain, our correspondent says, especially after the funerals of a 13-year-old girl and a 24-year-old man from Tangier who were killed by the blasts.

As Spaniards also continue to bury their dead, a memorial service is to take place in Madrid's cathedral on Tuesday evening at 1900 GMT.

Officials have also announced that a state funeral for the victims will be held in Mardrid on 24 March.

The Spanish people are also continuing to digest Sunday's shock election result that saw the Popular Party turfed out of office. The Socialists, who won the biggest bloc of seats, are now trying to form a coalition with smaller parties to form a government.

'Al-Qaeda links'

Survivors of the attacks are reported to have identified Mr Zougam from photographs but police sources have said they are treating the witnesses' statements with caution.

One of the allegations against 30-year-old Mr Zougam is that he has links with the Salafia Jihadia group, held responsible for attacks in the Moroccan city of Casablanca last May that killed 45 people.

Spanish views on the shock election result

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He is also said to have connections with Imad Yarkas, alias Abu Dahdah, the alleged leader of an al-Qaeda cell in Madrid, who is awaiting trial in Spain on charges of taking part in the 11 September plot.

Mr Zougam was detained with Mohamed Bekkali, 31, and Mohamed Chaoui, 34, all from Morocco.

Two Indians, named as Vinay Kohly and Suresh Kumar, were also arrested.

These five men were arrested in connection with a mobile phone which was found inside a bag containing explosives that failed to go off.

Investigators believe mobile phones were used to detonate 10 bombs hidden in backpacks on the four trains which were targeted.

Formal charges have not yet been presented.



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The Beat
 
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Reply Tue 16 Mar, 2004 07:18 pm
Actually,

I think they have also identified two Indians as well.

Nevertheless, the fact that the Morrocans want to protest IN SOLIDARITY with their Spanish brethren is a great sign.

Hey, maybe peace will actually get a boost from this dastardly deed.

Won't that be a kick in the pants to GWB!!!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 14 Apr, 2004 12:42 pm
Spain has "neutralised" the cell behind the Madrid train bombings, according to the outgoing interior minister.

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[B]Madrid bomb cell 'neutralised' [/B]
Angel Acebes said the "nucleus" of the Islamist group was either destroyed by an explosion during a police raid on 3 April, or had been arrested.

He said the cell had financed the plot by selling cannabis and ecstasy.

Eighteen people are facing charges and others are still being questioned over the attacks, which killed 191 people and injured more than 1,900.

The Spanish government has also blamed the cell for planting the explosive device found on the railway line between Madrid and Seville soon after the 11 March train bombings.

On the run

"The nucleus of the Islamist cell responsible for the 11 March attacks and the attempted attack on the Madrid to Seville highspeed rail link has been neutralised," Mr Acebes said on Wednesday.

He said the Madrid cell was divided in to three sub-groups - ideological, logistical and petty criminal.


Some suspects are still on the run, but police believe the masterminds were the ones who blew themselves up during a raid in Madrid's Leganes suburb.
The leader of the cell, and one of those who died, was Tunisian national Serhane ben Abdelmajid Fakhet, said Mr Acebes.

He described the extremists as "locally-based and autonomous".

But he added that the authorities "cannot rule out the hypothesis that someone with more education concerning Islam and with experience in Afghanistan or elsewhere may have had some influence" in the attacks, the worst in Spain's history.

He said This figure, whom he described as "the emir", may have died in the explosion or may have escaped.


Petty criminals

Mr Acebes said the Islamic militants had obtained 200kg (440 pounds) of dynamite from petty criminals in northern Spain, in return for drugs.

Police believe all the explosives have been either used or seized in police raids.

The minister said proceeds from drugs had also funded their apartment, a car and mobile phones.

Investigators were pursuing leads in Britain, Germany, France, Belgium, Tunisia and Morocco, he said.

The father of Bosnian suspect Sanel Sjekirica wanted in connection with the bombings said he was in Sweden but was returning to Spain to hand himself in.

Mr Sjekirica has denied any part in the attacks.

SOURCE
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 14 Sep, 2006 11:09 pm
In today's The Guardian:

· Attack was Socialist coup, crook alleges in interview
· Paper guilty of 'yellow' journalism, says rival daily

Newspaper spat over Madrid bombs 'conspiracy'


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