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Spain: Bombs Rip Through Train Stations At Rush Hour

 
 
hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 14 Mar, 2004 03:32 pm
We know what fertilizes roses, and the current US government is fiull of it! Very Happy
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 14 Mar, 2004 03:36 pm
Spain says "no" to Bush plan for world domination!
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Spain's Socialists Appear Poised to Win
By ED McCULLOUGH

MADRID, Spain (AP) - The ruling Popular Party looked headed for defeat in Sunday's general elections overshadowed by the Madrid terror bombings, with the opposition Socialists poised to score spectacular gains, according to partial results.

Many voters said they were furious with the government for backing the U.S.-led war in Iraq and making Spain a target for al-Qaida, which claimed responsibility for the bombings. Turnout was high at 76 percent.



With 56 percent of the votes counted, the conservative Popular Party - which had been projected to win comfortably - fell from 183 seats in the last 350-seat legislature to 146. The Socialists soared from 125 to 163.

Many voters said Thursday's bombings, which killed 200 people and wounded 1,500, was a decisive factor, along with the government's much-criticized handling of the initial investigation.

``The Popular Party has made me lose faith in politics,'' said Juan Rigola, 23, a biologist in Barcelona. ``It deserves to lose and to see the Spanish people turn against them.''


The electorate of 34.5 million included about 1.9 million mostly young voters added to the rolls since the 2000 general election.

Until the bombing, the conservative Popular Party was projected by most polls to beat the Socialists, although perhaps without retaining their majority in the 350-seat Congress of Deputies.

But the disaster, which the government initially blamed on the Basque separatist group ETA, threw the election wide open. The attack was followed by emotional rallies across the country.

Critics accused the government, which had trumpeted its crackdown on ETA, of manipulating the investigation for political gain. That struck a chord with voters.

``I didn't intend to vote, but changed my mind,'' said Javi Martin, 30, who works for a TV station in Madrid. ``And not because of the attacks, but because of the responsibility of the Popular Party. They gave out information drop by drop. It would have benefited them if it were ETA.''

Some voters were angry at outgoing Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar, accusing him of making Spain a target for Islamic extremists because of his support for the Iraq war, despite the opposition of most Spaniards. Aznar sent 1,300 Spanish troops to Iraq after the conflict and 11 have died.

``I wasn't planning to vote, but I am here today because the Popular Party is responsible for murders here and in Iraq,'' said Ernesto Sanchez-Gey, 48, who voted in Barcelona.


Other voters, however, expressed support for the ruling party precisely because it endorsed the Iraq war, and for its crackdown on ETA.

Mari Carmen Pinadero Martinez, 58, a housewife, said she ``voted to help the government end terrorism'' as she cast her ballot near the downtown Atocha railway station where trains were bombed.

In El Pozo northeast of Madrid, site of one of the four blasts, a ruined train car was in clear view of the polling station as were flowers for the victims, signs stating ``Paz'' (Peace) and dozens of lit candles.

Some of the voters, teary-eyed, held onto relatives and friends for support.

The Interior Ministry has announced five arrests in the bombing, including three Moroccans, and discovery of a videotape in which a man speaking Arabic says Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network claimed responsibility for the attack.

In Morocco, authorities said one of the five detainees had been under surveillance for months and was suspected of ties to Islamic radicalism.

On Sunday, a Basque-language daily published a statement by ETA in which the group for a second time denied involvement in the attacks.

A handful of young protesters screamed ``murderer'' at Mariano Rajoy, the ruling party candidate for prime minister, as he cast his vote in an elementary school outside Madrid. ``We did not want to go to war!'' they shouted.

Rajoy declined to comment on the arrests or videotape. ``These elections come at a time of great pain,'' he said.

As Aznar voted in Madrid, some bystanders cheered him while others shouted, ``Manipulator!''

``All Signs Point to al-Qaida,'' the country's largest circulation newspaper, El Pais, said in a front-page banner headline Sunday.

The videotape was recovered from a trash basket near a Madrid mosque after an Arabic-speaking man called a Madrid TV station to say it was there, Interior Minister Angel Acebes said.

The political campaign was bitter between Rajoy, 48, a veteran Cabinet minister under Aznar, and Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, 43, a lawyer, member of parliament and the Socialist party's general-secretary.

Before the attacks, polls gave Rajoy's party a 3-5 percentage point lead over the Socialists in the race for the 350-seat Congress of Deputies.

Aznar did not seek re-election, complying with a pledge to not seek a third four-year term.

Lets hope the US sees the light as well in November.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 14 Mar, 2004 04:09 pm
well well well
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 14 Mar, 2004 04:11 pm
42,73% (164 seats) for PSOE,
37,65% (148 seats) for PP.

96% votes counted.

(That's two hours after the ballots were closed. :wink: )
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 14 Mar, 2004 04:45 pm
Detailed results are interesting too:

Code:
PSOE (Socialist)
42,6% (+8,5)
PP (Conservative)
37,6% (-6,9)
IU (Leftist Union, communists etc)
5,0% (-0,5)
CiU (Catalan autonomists)
3,2% (-1,0)
ERC (Republican Left of Catalonia)
2,5% (+1,7)
EAJ-PNV (Basque nationalists - not the ETA-affiliated ones, tho they governed in coalition for a while in the Basque province)
1,6% (+0,1)


Effectively, the left scored a 50-38% victory over the right here, 53-38% if you count the left-leaning CiU.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 14 Mar, 2004 04:47 pm
All this with a participation of 77,26%
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 14 Mar, 2004 04:58 pm
Percentage-points-wise, what difference would you say the recent bombing and its aftermath has made?

(i.e. what is the percentage swing against the conservatives, compared to the results in the last election or the results predicted a few days ago?)
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sun 14 Mar, 2004 05:02 pm
This may or may not be good, leaving aside the internal politics of Spain, which case the results may be good. If al Qaeda thinks it can effect election outcomes in ways that it wishes, no election will be safe, in any nation where the party in power opposes it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 14 Mar, 2004 05:03 pm
Well, we shouldn't forget that the Spanish population was in majority against the war - with one of the highest percentages in Europe!
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 14 Mar, 2004 05:39 pm
this is interesting:
UK and EU:
Quote:
Minister sparks row over Madrid
The presence of EU leaders was a "powerful political message"
Denis Macshane has been criticised for contrasting European solidarity over the Madrid bombings with political disunity in the UK.

The Europe Minister said EU leaders in Spain had shown an "unprecedented display" of European feeling.

By contrast opposition parties in the UK were still obsessed with "petty, rather parochial politics".

The Conservatives have accused him of using tragic events for "tawdry political point-scoring".

In an interview with the BBC Mr MacShane urged the UK to stop discussing the reasons for going to war in Iraq and join the rest of the continent in "unity" against terrorism.

Mr Macshane said he had been taking part in European political demonstrations for 30 years.

"This was the first time when I really felt I was taking part in a European event," he said.

'Iraq obsession'

Leaders from across the political spectrum had turned out to say "Europe is standing together against this terrible atrocity".

"It was a remarkable European phenomenon."

But Britain, he argued, was "still obsessed with fighting the whys and wherefores of using military force to get rid of Saddam Hussein".

"We are obsessed with who said or did or wrote or e-mailed what to whom 18 months or two years ago," he said.

The presence of so many EU leaders - including British deputy prime minister John Prescott - on Madrid's anti-terror march on Friday "was a very powerful political message".

'Political point-scoring'

But Conservative shadow Foreign Minister Michael Ancram stongly denied any suggestion the Tories were spending too much time arguing over the decision to go to war in Iraq.

"It was totally wrong to imply that the Conservative party has ever been anything other than 100% committed to the war on terror," he said.

He added the British people had little time for "cynical manoeuvring" by the Labour government and would instead be thinking of the people of Spain.

Liberal Democrat Chairman Matthew Taylor suggested that Denis Macshane shouldl withdraw his comments or resign.

"All political parties are united in condemning the appalling bombings in Madrid," he said.

"We all need to think long and hard about whether recent policies have made the world a safer place, not indulge in political point-scoring."


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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 14 Mar, 2004 09:10 pm
Quote:
Mi corazon va con los Madrileños y Españoles una ciudad y un pueblo que yo admiro muchisisimo. Les mando mi cariño.


My heart is with the Madrilenians and Spaniards, a city and country which I admire very, very much. I send you my love and affection.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 14 Mar, 2004 09:12 pm
Which translation program did you use, dlowan?
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The Beat
 
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Reply Sun 14 Mar, 2004 11:00 pm
InfraBlue
great translation.

I second it!!
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 15 Mar, 2004 03:53 am
I always wondered what corazon meant. Thank you.

What is the answer to my question? Percentage points swing? Does anyone have a figure?
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Mon 15 Mar, 2004 11:32 am
PP was leading by 4 points before the attack, according to polls.

The key was the higher turnout. More than 77% of the Spaniards voted, up 9% from last election.

PP followers are saying that one man, Osama Bin Laden, changed their history.
I disagree.
Aznar supported a war 90% of the population was against.
Before the attack, many Spaniards considered that international affairs were not an important element for their decision. After the attack, they remembered, and considered it indeed was.

Rodríguez Zapatero always said he'd pull back the Spanish troops stationed in Iraq, and atone foreign policy with France and Germany. He says he will honor his campaign promise.

GWB has lost an ally.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 15 Mar, 2004 11:40 am
I think, you are right fbaezer.

I do wonder, why obviously no-one from outsite Spain took the Zapatero-campaign serious - or, why no-one read about it.

He didn't change a jota.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 15 Mar, 2004 12:36 pm
Stunning victory for al Qaida and the Spanish socialists.

Mr bin Liner must be very pleased. Large bits of Afghanistan are still his. (he never needed the whole country anyway). And there's always a warm welcome in Pakistan from his friend Mr A Q Khan father of the Islamic nuclear bomb.

Meanwhile Iraq gives his jihadists plenty of opportunity for live fire training. [Nine American soldiers killed in last few days]

Now (thanks be to Allah) a few strategically placed bombs on some commuter trains, costing virtually nothing, have destroyed a major ally of the crusader zionist invader. (Thinks...must remember to find out if Charles Kennedy is Muslim)

...............................

you know if this wasn't all so desperately sad, it would be quite funny.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 15 Mar, 2004 12:40 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
(Thinks...must remember to find out if Charles Kennedy is Muslim)


Not really: he is Scottish.

[But if I were you, I better looked up for Robbie Fowler, Jonathan Macken, Trevor Sinclair, Shaun Wright-Phillips :wink: ]
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 15 Mar, 2004 01:47 pm
Wow

Walter you really know how to hurt someone. Here we are having a frivolous discussion about war terrorism and the clash of civilisations, and you have to bring up something VERY serious and very sensitive...I might have to report your post as being grossly offensive and distressing to literally millions of my fellow co religionists. There are some things in life Walter that you JUST CANT BE FLIPPANT ABOUT.[ Laughing ]
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 15 Mar, 2004 02:39 pm
What, was there a football game this weekend? How did it go, Steve?
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