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Is VP Cheney a Liar?

 
 
pistoff
 
Reply Wed 10 Mar, 2004 09:00 pm
Claims and Facts: Iraq-Al Qaeda Connections

SADDAM-AL QAEDA CONNECTION


CLAIM: There's overwhelming evidence there was a connection between al Qaeda and the Iraqi government. I am very confident that there was an established relationship there." - Vice President Cheney, 1/22/04

CLAIM: "The regime of Saddam Hussein cultivated ties to terror while it built weapons of mass destruction." - President Bush's UN speech, 9/23/03

CLAIM: "Iraq [is] the central front in the war on terror." - President Bush's UN speech, 9/23/03

CLAIM: "You can't distinguish between al-Qaida and Saddam." - President Bush, 9/25/02

CLAIM: "There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al Qaeda ties." - President Bush, 9/17/03

CLAIM: "There was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda." - Vice President Cheney, 9/14/03

FACT: According to documents, "Saddam Hussein warned his Iraqi supporters to be wary of joining forces with foreign Arab fighters entering Iraq to battle U.S. troops. The document provides another piece of evidence challenging the Bush administration contention of close cooperation between Saddam's regime and al Qaeda terrorists." [NY Times, 1/15/04]

FACT: "CIA interrogators have already elicited from the top Qaeda officials in custody that, before the American-led invasion, Osama bin Laden had rejected entreaties from some of his lieutenants to work jointly with Saddam." [NY Times, 1/15/04]

FACT: "Sec. of State Colin Powell conceded Thursday that despite his assertions to the United Nations last year, he had no 'smoking gun' proof of a link between the government of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and terrorists of al-Qaeda.'I have not seen smoking-gun, concrete evidence about the connection,' Powell said." [NY Times, 1/9/04]

FACT: "Three former Bush Administration officials who worked on intelligence and national security issues said the prewar evidence tying Al Qaeda was tenuous, exaggerated and often at odds with the conclusions of key intelligence agencies." [National Journal, 8/9/03]

FACT: Declassified documents "undercut Bush administration claims before the war that Hussein had links to Al Qaeda." [LA Times, 7/19/03].

FACT: "The chairman of the monitoring group appointed by the United Nations Security Council to track Al Qaeda told reporters that his team had found no evidence linking Al Qaeda to Saddam Hussein." [NY Times, 6/27/03]

FACT: "U.S. allies have found no links between Iraq and Al Qaeda. 'We have found no evidence of links between Iraq and Al Qaeda,' said Europe's top investigator. 'If there were such links, we would have found them. But we have found no serious connections whatsoever.'" [LA Times, 11/4/02]


SADDAM-9/11 CONNECTION


CLAIM: "We have never claimed that Saddam Hussein ... had either direction or control of 9/11." - National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, 9/16/03

FACT: President Bush sent a letter to Congress on 3/19/03 saying that the Iraq war was permitted specifically under legislation that authorized force against "nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."

FACT: Vice President Cheney said on 9/14/03 "I think it's not surprising that people make that connection" between Saddam and 9/11- with no evidence to back up his claim.

FACT: Two days after Cheney made that statement, Reuters reported on 9/18/03 that "President Bush distanced himself from the comments."




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* I feel that Cheney is a blatant liar and a criminal. He should be indicted forthwith. I also feel strongly that he ordered or at the least signed off of on the outing of the CIA Agent Ms. Plane. gwb is a shallow, smirkin' puppet with zero integrity but Cheney is a vile, greedy, scum of a person that should be in prison doing hard time.
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Umbagog
 
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Reply Wed 10 Mar, 2004 09:08 pm
It's amazing how many times this guy gets caught lying and no one IS bringing charges against him.
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IronLionZion
 
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Reply Wed 10 Mar, 2004 09:20 pm
Either he knew he was wrong and lied, in which case he doesn't deserve to be in office, or he let his ideology fog his judgement, thus leading to 10,000 innocent deaths, in which case he doesn't deserve to be in office.

On the up side, Cheney is held in such low esteem by the American public that having a joint Bush/Cheney ticket can only harm Bush's chance for re-relection. That is a good thing.
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Jim
 
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Reply Wed 10 Mar, 2004 11:22 pm
All politicos of all parties have always been liars.

So what's the big surprise?
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Umbagog
 
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Reply Wed 10 Mar, 2004 11:50 pm
I think the blatant overuse of lies no matter what the subject is, is what is surprising people. Sure they knew it was all corrupt, but they had no idea these guys think they are so powerful that they can say anything or do anything they want and actually EXPECT us to take it all with a grain of salt.

It's their aristocratic revelations is what is surprising everyone. They really do think they are the superior class we are supposed to defer to.
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IronLionZion
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2004 12:44 am
Jim wrote:
All politicos of all parties have always been liars.

So what's the big surprise?


It is true that politicos on all sides of the spectrum use lies to further thier agenda. However, when those lies - or delusions - lead to disasterous policy decisions, those politicians needs to be held accountable. Accountability is one of the beauties of democracy.

In this case, the Bush administrations lies - or delusions - have led to the deaths of hundreds of Americans and over 10,000 innocent people. The fact that lies are spouted by politicians of both stripes doesn't take away from that fact.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2004 07:02 am
They can get away with for lots of reasons. In the beginning, everyone was still afraid and it made us feel safer to think that somebody had a plan to keep us safe so we went along with everything. It was popular to be patriotic so the politicians from both democrats and republicans went along with everything Bush wanted. The next phase was if there were people who started to question Bush they were called traitors to our country and accused of helping the enemy. The next phase was when people pointed out true facts they were just accused of playing politics. Now the newest line is accusing those pointing out the facts of being "tired and defeatist." When all else fails they fall back on old faithful and accuse democrats of being those "loony lefties." However, now it is not only democrats that are questioning the Bush administration's policies so that is not accurate but it still works. And even if all these facts were proven, congress would not do anything because those leading congress right now are loyal Bush supporters no matter what.
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