Palestinian Statehood, a Travesty

@Advocate,

Yes, I'm that "stupid," because most of the maps of Israel includes the Gaza Strip. I wasn't aware of, (from Wiki)

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2005 – Israel's unilateral disengagement

The Israel Defence Forces left the Gaza Strip on 1 September 2005 as part of Israel's unilateral disengagement plan, and all Israeli citizens were evicted from the area. An 'Agreement on Movement and Access' between Israel and the Palestinian Authority was brokered by Condoleezza Rice in November 2005 to improve Palestinian freedom of movement and economic activity in the Gaza Strip. Under its terms, the Rafah crossing with Egypt was to be reopened, with transits monitored by the Palestinian National Authority and the European Union. Only people with Palestinian ID, or foreign nationals, by exception, in certain categories, subject to Israeli oversight, were permitted to cross in and out. All goods, vehicles and trucks to and from Egypt passed through the Kerem Shalom Crossing, under full Israeli supervision.[12] Goods were also permitted transit at the Karni crossing in the north.

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UN and NGOs

However, the UN, Human Rights Watch and some other international bodies and NGOs have been reported to view Israel as a de facto occupying power of the Gaza Strip.[28][29][30] Some international NGOs and experts have been reported to contest that oversimplifying view.[31][32][27]

In his statement on the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict Richard Falk, United Nations Special Rapporteur wrote that international humanitarian law applied to Israel "in regard to the obligations of an Occupying Power and in the requirements of the laws of war."[33] In a 2009 interview on Democracy Now Christopher Gunness, spokesman for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) called Israel an occupying power. However, among others, Meagan Buren, Senior Adviser to the media

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@RST,

Omniscient means "all knowing". It is possible to be "all knowing" and still be stupid.

Since God is responsible for the mess in the Middle East (also known as the Holy Land) I think He is, in fact, that stupid. If he isn't stupid then He is at least awfully cruel.

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@maxdancona,

I was just ******* around with Advocate.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

If Palestine is not a State, then the people living there are living in Israel.

No. They are outside Israel's borders.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

The term "law-fare" is a really interesting term. Is the writer accusing the Palestinians of trying to use the rule of law to get Israel to behave itself?

Israel has always behaved itself.

The writer is accusing the Palestinians of trying to abuse the courts by making waves of false accusations against Israel.

While I think Israel should unilaterally annex everything west of the separation fence in retaliation for any unilateral recognition from the UN, I doubt the courts will be much interested in being the Palestinians' weapon of injustice, so the threat to Israel is not as grave as the Palestinians are hoping.

In fact, if the Israeli government thinks about it, they'll be able to use this to send all the Palestinian terrorists off to the Hague.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

And it's interesting that many pretend to be in favour of democracy in Libya, Syria and Egypt but seem to accept the Palestinians continuing to live under occupation ...

The Palestinians are not living under occupation. Back in the 1990s, when people foolishly believed the Palestinians were interested in peace, they were granted autonomy over their own affairs.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You are blinded by your own ignorance about this whole subject on Palestine-Israel. Give it up; you're too stupid to understand basic human needs.

You trash shouldn't run around falsely accusing your betters of your own stupidity.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You mean to tell us that Gaza is not in Israel? That's news to me!

Gaza has never been in Israel.

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@Advocate,

Advocate wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
You mean to tell us that Gaza is not in Israel? That's news to me!

God, are you really that stupid?

Yes. CI is really that stupid.

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@oralloy,

You guys are really the stupid ones. Everybody except Zionists believe that the Gaza is under defacto occupation by the Israelis.

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UN and NGOs

However, the UN, Human Rights Watch and some other international bodies and NGOs have been reported to view Israel as a de facto occupying power of the Gaza Strip.[28][29][30] Some international NGOs and experts have been reported to contest that oversimplifying view.[31][32][27]

In his statement on the 2008–2009 Israel–Gaza conflict Richard Falk, United Nations Special Rapporteur wrote that international humanitarian law applied to Israel "in regard to the obligations of an Occupying Power and in the requirements of the laws of war."[33] In a 2009 interview on Democracy Now Christopher Gunness, spokesman for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) called Israel an occupying power. However, among others, Meagan Buren, Senior Adviser to the media

To reiterate, it's the UN, Human Rights Watch and some other international bodies and NGOs. That's about almost everybody except you idiots who doesn't understand international laws.

FYI, NGOs are

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A non-governmental organization is a legally constituted organization created by natural or legal persons that operates independently from any form of government. The term originated from the United Nations (UN), and is normally used to refer to organizations that are not a part of the government and are not conventional for-profit business. In the cases in which NGOs are funded totally or partially by governments, the NGO maintains its non-governmental status by excluding government representatives from membership in the organization. The term is usually applied only to organizations that pursue wider social aims that have political aspects, but are not openly political organizations such as political parties.

I have the UN and international community siding with me; who do you guys have? Murderers who steal other people's property and equality.

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@cicerone imposter,

Wrong.

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Palestinian Statehood Vote: Palestinians Certain To Win U.N. Recognition As A State

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How sad for the Israel can do no wrong lobby!

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@cicerone imposter,

Haven't you noticed that the UN has always sided with the Pals and other Arabs when it comes to Israel? The former is where the population, power, and money reside.

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@Advocate,

What is that supposed to mean? That even international organizations understand the plight of the Palestinians under the rule of Israelis?

I'm Happy that the UN and other international organizations recognize the unfair treatment of Palestinians in Israel.

That you Zionists can't recognize what everybody else sees and understands is "your" problem. Live with it. You are isolated in the world of humanity and fairness. Even many Jews understand and "see" this religous bigotry.

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@revelette,

revelette wrote:

Palestinian Statehood Vote: Palestinians Certain To Win U.N. Recognition As A State

Hopefully Israel will respond by annexing everything west of the Separation Fence. They now have the right to do that.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

How sad for the Israel can do no wrong lobby!

Not feeling any sadness. Just a fresh batch of outrage.

Since this now makes it OK for Israel to annex any part of the West Bank, I hope they take the opportunity to exercise their new rights.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

What is that supposed to mean? That even international organizations understand the plight of the Palestinians under the rule of Israelis?

It means everyone has always known that the UN is infested with anti-Semitic vermin like you.

cicerone imposter wrote:

I'm Happy that the UN and other international organizations recognize the unfair treatment of Palestinians in Israel.

Anti-Semites always think it is unfair when Jews defend themselves.

cicerone imposter wrote:

You are isolated in the world of humanity and fairness.

You anti-Semites do not represent either humanity or fairness.

And Israel is hardly isolated. The US stands with them proudly.

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@oralloy,

Your "outrage" is misplaced, as is your thinking on this matter.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

And it's interesting that many pretend to be in favour of democracy in Libya, Syria and Egypt but seem to accept the Palestinians continuing to live under occupation ...

It is a complex problem Walter - dealing with the European Jews who fled en masse to Palestine after WWII, many full of zeal to create a new sectarian socialist state, unfortunately exclusively for themselves. This story, as you know, goes back to the struggles among the European Powers for dominance of the debris of the then struggling Ottoman Empire, beginning as early as the Crimean War. There's no shortage of hypocrisy throughout the Western world on the matter, and various self-serving rationalizations have been put forward by all the countries that have contributed to the problem. Some of them are even partly true. Recall that the first countries to get actively involved in arming the Israeli settlers were the French (who saw potential allies for their struggle to reestablish their colonial power in Syria), and the USSR. We of course kick started the international recognition of the new Israeli state, that declared itself in spite of many conflicting lawful obligations.

I do find it both reamrkable and a bit contemptible to note the degree to which many nations appear to have absolved themselves for any remaining responsibility for this mess. I would put the British at the head of this list.

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