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CIA Chief Petraeus resigns as result of extra-marital affair

 
 
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 11:18 am
The Taliban find this very humorous. Say he should be stoned to death by the relatives of his mistress.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/15/petraeus-scandal-taliban_n_2136121.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003&ir=Politics
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 11:24 am
@juliazoe4,
I was slow to catch on - this "poster" is another copycat bot type.
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 03:27 pm
Last paragraph of a three page article.

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As part of the investigation, FBI agents discovered low-level classified material on Broadwell’s personal computer. On Wednesday, the Army announced that Broadwell’s [security] clearance had been suspended.


Source
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 03:30 pm
@JPB,
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On Wednesday, the Army announced that Broadwell’s [security] clearance had been suspended.


My and the other lady Jill pass to the base was taken away from her.

Thank god the military is moving to protected us from those hot women by those actions.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 06:20 pm
@JPB,
That article on Broadwell paints an interesting portrait of her.

The suspension of her security clearance may be related to the way she had stored classified material in her possession.
roger
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 08:07 pm
@farmerman,
Clever farmerman. Very clever.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 08:10 pm
I haven't posted here in days, though I've read along.

Frankly, my views have twitched, and are still working, and I may end up agreeing with others, but not yet.

My first reaction was how freaked I have been about almost all posters' righteousness, flaming righteousness, super levels of righteousness by most.. No matter who disagrees in other contexts, this one is a gathering of the enraged of the well behaved.

Not that I am for this and that, but the venom is wild.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 08:40 pm
@firefly,
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The suspension of her security clearance may be related to the way she had stored classified material in her possession.


Given me a break Firefly her clearance would had been taken away from her no matter what and others actions will be taken to distance the military from this reserve officer. My prediction is that her days as a reserve officer are number and if there is a military lawyer in the house I would like to know if military law can be apply to a officer not on active duty as in the good old anti adultery section or even acting in a manner unbecoming for an officer and bringing shame on the military.

Same kind of **** on a larger scale as taking away the other lady base pass and finding reasons to seal the friendly FBI agent with no shirt from the investigation.

The military/government is acting is a similar manner to one of my cats after using her litter box.

An all this over an affair................when will we grow up as a nation.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 09:04 pm
@BillRM,
I think it's makes a difference whether she had clearance for that class of documents.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 09:11 pm
@BillRM,
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Given me a break Firefly her clearance would had been taken away from her no matter...

From the info I have read elsewhere, the main reason appears related to how she stored the classified information in her possession. There are rules related to that which she may not have followed.
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An all this over an affair...............

It's not just about an affair, it's also about other matters that became revealed along with the affair.

Powerful power whom we entrust to have good judgment, seem not to have very good judgment at all.





ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 09:26 pm
@firefly,
I figure people do take stuff home, and not just in this situation by this banana. (oh, sorry)

That doesn't mean that I would, but that that I figure others would.

Firefly, you seem to be pumping this up as awful actions.

I'm beginning to wonder if people in those agencies can just breathe on a sunny day.
JTT
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 09:33 pm
@firefly,
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Powerful power whom we entrust to have good judgment, seem not to have very good judgment at all.


And you are just waking up to this now?
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 09:48 pm
@ossobuco,
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Firefly, you seem to be pumping this up as awful actions.

I'm not pumping up anything regarding a person having an affair.

But, when you're the director of the CIA, I think you have to consider the repercussions of your actions, including your behavior in your private life, very carefully. Petraeus compromised his reputation and his ability to continue in his position. The affair became something other than a private matter.

It was the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, who told Petraeus he had to resign following the revelations of his affair, osso. I swear, I had nothing to do with it. Laughing


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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 10:19 pm
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November 15, 2012

WASHINGTON — The Central Intelligence Agency’s inspector general has started an investigation into the general conduct of David H. Petraeus, who resigned last week as the C.I.A.’s director after admitting to having an affair with his biographer, Paula Broadwell.

The inquiry will focus largely on whether Mr. Petraeus misused the trappings and perquisites of his position, including security details, private jets and special accommodations, to facilitate the affair, a person familiar with the investigation said.

There is no evidence so far to suggest Mr. Petraeus did so, said agency officials, who notified the House and Senate Intelligence Committees of the matter on Thursday. But given the extraordinary circumstances, agency officials thought it prudent to have the inspector general review Mr. Petraeus’s conduct.

“An investigation is exploratory and doesn’t presuppose any particular outcome,” said Preston Golson, a C.I.A. spokesman.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/16/world/africa/cia-investigates-petraeus-as-lawmakers-press-inquiry-into-libya-attack.html
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 10:36 pm
@BillRM,
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Writing letters to judges to offer aid to someone you have a social connections with or their family members seems not to be at all that unusual to say the least.

As long as the letters just express opinions and does not contain any falsehoods I can see nothing wrong with so doing.

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Petraeus, Allen letters in custody case inappropriate: analysts
By Saundra Amrhein
TAMPA, Florida | Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:47pm EST

TAMPA, Florida (Reuters) - Natalie Khawam had been through a contentious divorce and had lost custody of her 4-year-old son after a bitter court battle against her ex-husband.

The judge in Washington who denied custody of the boy to Khawam last year had characterized her as a financially and emotionally troubled woman who had built many of her court arguments around false and dramatic claims of abuse.

It's not clear whether then-CIA director David Petraeus and General John Allen knew all of that eight weeks ago, when they each wrote letters to the judge supporting Khawam's appeal for custody of the boy.

Even so, the letters were unwise and inappropriate, according to military and intelligence analysts who say the expressions of support for Khawam have become symbols of questionable behavior by two of the nation's top warriors.

Khawam's twin sister, Jill Kelley, is at the center of the sex scandal that forced Petraeus, a retired Army general, to resign from the CIA and revealed what investigators called "flirtatious" emails between Allen and Kelley.

The letters from Petraeus and Allen - written as the FBI was uncovering the scandal - suggest they did not follow military and intelligence guidelines that warn senior officers to avoid linking their official work with personal activities in their civilian lives.

"I am shocked that they wrote those letters, and I am shocked that no one on their staff said to them, 'We need to find out more about these people,' " said Rosa Brooks, a law professor at Georgetown University and a former adviser to the Defense Department.

Military lawyers would have told Petraeus and Allen that "the intervention of someone of your level in a pending litigation is going to be a big deal and get you into hot water," Brooks said. "... Other people's marriages are really complicated. Just the words ‘custody battle' in court should have been enough."

Retired Colonel Chuck Allen, professor of leadership and cultural studies at the U.S. Army War College in Pennsylvania, said senior officers are told to avoid such situations because "it might look as though you are trying to impress or pull rank on somebody who really isn't under your purview. What you don't want is to imply an endorsement by the institution."

Petraeus commanded U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan before retiring from the Army in 2011 to take over at the CIA; Allen is the current commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan. Their letters gave glowing accounts of Khawam, 37, who befriended Petraeus and Allen when they served at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa.

The base is home to the U.S. Central Command, which runs military operations in the Middle East and South Asia.

It was Kelley who set off the investigation that revealed the sex scandal when she complained to the FBI this year about harassing emails that mentioned Petraeus and Allen.

The FBI eventually determined that the emails were from Paula Broadwell, an Army reserve intelligence officer and co-author of a biography on Petraeus.

The investigation revealed that Broadwell and Petraeus, both of whom are married, had an affair and that Broadwell apparently saw Kelley as a rival.

It also found that Kelley, a married volunteer who helped plan social functions involving military officials at MacDill and community leaders in Tampa, had exchanged hundreds of emails with Allen, who also is married.

THE SISTERS' FINANCES

Petraeus and Allen have not commented on the letters. Friends say that the men were not romantically involved with Kelley or Khawam.

The sisters were a fixture at military functions at MacDill in recent years. Kelley and her husband, cancer surgeon Scott Kelley, hosted lavish parties for senior military brass at their stately residence near the base.

The appearance of wealth by the Kelleys and Khawam contrasts with court and tax records that show them to be deeply in debt.

Although it is not clear that Petraeus or Allen knew about the financial situation of the Kelleys or Khawam, analysts noted that large debt is a warning signal when the military vets anyone who will have significant access to its top leaders.

"Personal debts and legal issues, those are all huge, huge red flags for anyone seeking a security clearance," Brooks said, noting that until this week, Jill Kelley held a special "Friends of MacDill" pass that allowed her through security on the Air Force base.

According to county court documents, the Kelleys owe $2 million to a bank on a foreclosed office building in downtown Tampa. Another bank is seeking to foreclose on their mansion near MacDill, saying the couple owes $1.7 million.

The couple has been sued for more than $100,000 in outstanding credit card debt between them, court records indicate.

And a charity the couple formed in 2005, the Doctor Kelley Cancer Foundation, folded. The couple reported revenue of $157,284 and total expenses in the same amount, according to the foundation's 2007 tax return.

Khawam was a director of the charity, whose stated purpose was to "conduct research studies into efforts to discover ways to improve the quality of life of terminally ill cancer patients."

Almost half the money the charity raised went toward meals, entertainment, car expenses and legal fees, according to the 2007 tax return.

Khawam has filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection, citing $3.6 million in liabilities, court records indicate.

Attorneys for Khawam and the Kelleys did not respond to telephone calls and emails seeking comment.

LETTERS OF PRAISE

The letters from Petraeus and Allen to the judge in Khawam's custody case, which appear in the court record, were submitted five months after Khawam's divorce was finalized on April 6.

She was ordered to pay child support of $982 a month to her ex-husband, Grayson Wolfe, a lawyer in Washington. He has not responded to requests for comment.

Khawam filed for bankruptcy less than a week after the divorce was final.

Allen's letter praised Khawam's "maturity, integrity and steadfast commitment to raising her child."

Petraeus wrote that he and his wife, Holly, had witnessed "a very loving relationship" between Khawam and her son, referring to when the Petraeuses hosted the Kelleys and Khawam for Christmas dinner.

Petraeus signed his letter "General U.S. Army (Rt)" and made no mention of his position at the CIA. Allen signed his letter as "General, United States Marine Corps."

Both asked District of Columbia Superior Court Judge Neal Kravitz to reconsider his custody decision in Khawam's case that he made in November 2011.

In that ruling, Kravitz issued a scathing assessment of Khawam's parenting skills.

"Ms. Khawam appears to lack any appreciation or respect for the importance of honesty and integrity in her interactions with her family, employers and others with whom she comes in contact," Kravitz wrote in his ruling.

Kravitz questioned domestic violence complaints filed by Khawam in Tampa, in which she had accused Wolfe of threatening to kill her by putting a gun to her head and threatening to take their son to the Middle East.

She reported "incidents of shaking the child; sexual abuse of her; and assaults of her and the child with shoes, hangers, boots, containers and belts," according to court documents.

"No physical, scientific or documentary evidence supports any of Ms. Khawam's allegations," Kravitz wrote.

The judge also wrote that Kelley was a "patently biased and unbelievable witness" when she testified about alleged domestic abuse by her twin sister's ex-husband.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/16/us-usa-generals-tampa-idUSBRE8AF03K20121116
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 15 Nov, 2012 11:38 pm
@firefly,
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It's not clear whether then-CIA director David Petraeus and General John Allen knew all of that eight weeks ago, when they each wrote letters to the judge supporting Khawam's appeal for custody of the boy.

Even so, the letters were unwise and inappropriate, according to military and intelligence analysts who say the expressions of support for Khawam have become symbols of questionable behavior by two of the nation's top warriors.


so the argument is that any action that can be called into question is unwise and should not be done.

FAIL!
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 16 Nov, 2012 04:58 am
@JPB,
The only difference between the reaction here and that of the Taliban is that the latter's punishment is more humane.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 16 Nov, 2012 07:25 am
@hawkeye10,
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so the argument is that any action that can be called into question is unwise and should not be done.

FAIL!


Could not agree with you more.....both of those men have the same rights to express opinions to the courts as anyone else in this society.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 16 Nov, 2012 07:33 am
@BillRM,
No they haven't Bill. They were using their exalted positions to influence a judge in favour of one of their friends. Their letters were expected to carry a great deal more weight than that of "anyone else in this society".

The judge had the right to ignore the recommendations on the same basis.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 16 Nov, 2012 07:41 am
@firefly,
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It’s also worrisome that the nation’s spymaster — who had presided in a military where adultery could result in court-martial — could not have found a more clandestine manner of talking naughty to his biographer babe than a Gmail drop box, a semiprivate file-sharing system used by terrorists, teenagers and authors.



Well the question of a CIA director that did not protect his private communications better is somewhat valid still you normally make a judgment call on the likely attack models when setting up such communication channels.

Now most of my everyday mail have little security however if I am sending passwords or other financial information to my wife for example I take the time to secure it beyond even the known abilities of the NSA to break into.

I take no precautions as far as being trace however.

Assuming that I would have an affair the level of security that Petraeus set up seems ok as I do not see the FBI doing a full court press over an affair of mine so the risk model is lower.

However in his position I would had use tor and solid encrypting along with protecting all computers involved with Truecrypt so the FBI or anyone else could pound sand warrant and seized computers or not.
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