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CIA Chief Petraeus resigns as result of extra-marital affair

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 10:50 am
@cicerone imposter,
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It's called confidence and trust; something you are missing in your life.


"confidence and trust", eh, CI. Like how everyone of your presidents lied to y'all to illegally invade myriad countries. How they slaughtered or had slaughtered millions of people in your name, many times without your knowledge.

You don't understand much, do you, CI?
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 10:59 am
All In: The Education of General David Petraeus

A particularly appropriate title

Joe(it made me spit up my coffee)Nation
Mame
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 11:03 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

sure, in this case a man wanted out, so this was a card played by him.

But your assumption in this is that Petraeus is such a wuss that he would have to make up an excuse to resign (an excuse that subjects him to public judgement and family turmoil) instead of just saying I quit. The counter argument (that he was being pushed out for some reason) also fails because he would have "resigned to spend more time with his family." The very public admission of the affair in the absence of tabloid photos makes this very unusual. I read the mistress was under investigation for trying to get into his email account.


Totally agree with your logic.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 11:03 am
@engineer,
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But your assumption in this is that Petraeus is such a wuss that he would have to make up an excuse to resign (an excuse that subjects him to public judgement and family turmoil) instead of just saying I quit

he served at the pleasure of the president, and no he could not just quit. he needed a very very good reason to leave his post, and he found it. military men are not in the habit of doing what they want to do, they do what they are told to do, what is expected of them. it might be that obama was so displeased that he wanted this guy gone, but this guy was a God who had no been at his post very long....Obama needed the very very good reason too.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 11:15 am
It the email...........................!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/11/10/why-david-petraeuss-gmail-account-is-a-national-security-issue/


Why David Petraeus’s Gmail account is a national security issue
Posted by Max Fisher on November 10, 2012 at 11:14 am

The beginning of the end came for CIA Director David Petraeus when Paula Broadwell, a younger married woman with whom he was having an affair, “or someone close to her had sought access to his email,” according to the Wall Street Journal’s description of an FBI probe. Associates of Petraeus had received “anonymous harassing emails” that were then traced to Broadwell, ABC’s Martha Raddatz reported, suggesting she may have found their names or addresses in his e-mail.

The e-mail account was apparently Petraeus’s personal Gmail, not his official CIA e-mail, according to the Wall Street Journal. That’s a big deal: Some of the most powerful foreign spy agencies in the world would love to have an opening, however small, into the personal e-mail account of the man who runs the United States’ spy service. The information could have proved of enormous value to foreign hackers, who already maintain a near-constant effort to access sensitive U.S. data.

If Petraeus allowed his Gmail security to be compromised even slightly, by widening access, sharing passwords or logging in from multiple addresses, it would have brought foreign spy agencies that much closer to a treasure trove of information. As the Wall Street Journal hints, investigators were concerned about Petraeus’s Gmail access precisely because of the history of foreign attempts to access just such accounts:

Security officials are sensitive to misuse of personal email accounts—not only official accounts—because there have been multiple instances of foreign hackers targeting personal emails.

A personal e-mail account like Petraeus’s almost certainly would not have contained any high-level intelligence; he probably didn’t keep a list of secret drone-base coordinates on his Google docs account. But access to the account could have provided telling information on, for example, Petraeus’s travel schedule, his foreign contacts, even personal information about himself or other senior U.S. officials.

Private e-mail services like Google’s, though considered significantly more secure than most, still have susceptibilities to foreign intrusion. And it happens. Technology writers have sometimes discussed what one writer called the “password fallacy,” the false sense of safety created by access systems such as Google’s that balance security against ease of use. Even with Google’s extra security features, the company must also avoid making security so onerous as to drive away customers, making it an easier target for foreign hackers even before Petraeus possibly started sharing access and thus diluting the account’s integrity. And, as a Wired magazine investigation demonstrated in August, personal e-mail accounts often allow hackers access to other personal accounts, worsening both the infiltration and the damage.

All of this might sound a little overly apprehensive – really, U.S. national security is compromised because the CIA director’s personal Gmail account might have been a little easier to hack? – until you start looking at the scale and sophistication of foreign attempts to infiltrate U.S. data sources. Chinese hacking efforts, perhaps the best-known but nowhere near the only threat to U.S. networks and computers, suggest the enormous scope and ferocious drive of foreign government hackers.

Some Americans who have access to sensitive information and who travel to China describe going to tremendous lengths to minimize government efforts to seize their data. Some copy and paste their passwords from USB thumb drives rather than type them out, for fear of key-logging software. They carry “loaner” laptops and cellphones and pull out cellphone batteries during sensitive meetings, worried that the microphone could be switched on remotely. The New York Times called such extreme measures, which also apply in other countries, “standard operating procedure for officials at American government agencies.”

Even still, the publicly reported incidents of successful Chinese hacking – such as a March intrusion that stole a $1 billion, 10-year research project overnight – suggest that the efforts might be near-continuous and the successes rampant. A 2010 Chinese infiltration of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce ended up funneling weeks of corporate data; even after the chamber thought it had reestablished security, it discovered that an office printer and a corporate apartment thermostat were still sending data – who knows what kind? – back to China. You have to wonder what a similar infiltration into the private e-mail account of the director of the Central Intelligence Agency might have turned up.

Of course, the CIA director is not the Chamber of Commerce, which may explain why the FBI’s counter-intelligence monitoring is so sensitive that just Broadwell’s access to his Gmail account triggered an investigation. But the fact that the FBI looked so hard and so carefully – and that Petraeus lost his directorship of the CIA over an intrusion that many of us might consider minor or even routine – underscores the potential risk to U.S. intelligence entailed in Petraeus’s, or Broadwell’s, alleged misuse of his personal account.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 11:20 am
@hawkeye10,
hawk, You show your ignorance even more every time you post. All Petraeus had to do was to wait out Obama's term; most sane people would have done just that if he couldn't resign - rather than ruin their lifetime reputation. Those are facts you can't seem to wrap around your brain.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 11:27 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

hawk, You show your ignorance even more every time you post. All Petraeus had to do was to wait out Obama's term; most sane people would have done just that if he couldn't resign - rather than ruin their lifetime reputation. Those are facts you can't seem to wrap around your brain.

his reputation is for being the best military officer in a couple of generations, and this reputation is not endangered by his tapping the wrong woman and leaving the CIA....very few real people care about who great minds are having sex with, and the CIA was never what he should have been doing.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 11:29 am
@hawkeye10,
Oh! Says you? How did he know his reputation wouldn't be mud when he revealed his illicit sex? Doesn't his wife and family count?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 11:42 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Oh! Says you? How did he know his reputation wouldn't be mud when he revealed his illicit sex? Doesn't his wife and family count?

watching McChrytal would have told him, McChrytal being another great military officer who was allegedly disgraced, but whom was seen only a year latter to have been fully restored.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 11:47 am
@cicerone imposter,
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Doesn't his wife and family count?


Hell no not in the public sphere at least.

Perhaps knowing that Hamilton had an affair with a married woman who husband then blackmail him when he was the first secretary of the treasury we should removed his picture from the ten dollar bill?

All his achievements should be wiped out as he cheated on his wife?

While we are at it why not removed Franklin picture from the hundred dollar bill for fathering a child when having an affair on his wife.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 11:49 am
@hawkeye10,
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In Foreign Policy, Thomas Ricks, who has described Petraeus as the best post-Sept. 11 commander in the U.S. military, hears that President Obama tried to talk him out of resigning. And Ricks describes Petraeus’ decision as the result of overabundance of honor: “Petraeus took the samurai route and insisted that he had done a dishonorable thing and now had to try to balance it by doing the honorable thing and stepping down as CIA director.”

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/11/10/david_petraeus_affair_fbi_investigation_uncovered_affair_with_paula_broadwell.html

i think it does matter if obama tried to keep Petraeus....if this guy left fully because he wanted out.
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 11:53 am
Here y'all are talking about his love affairs when the title of the thread should read,

Petraeus, part of the criminal Bush gang, follows them all into prison
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 11:56 am
@hawkeye10,
You're not answering my quarry about his family members.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 11:57 am
@hawkeye10,
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All this achievements should be wiped out as he cheated on his wife?

and lets keep in mind who he picked....this was not like Elliot Spitzer ruining his career with hookers, this woman is hot and smart and in all into Petraeus. who would blame him for saying yes to the opportunity?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 12:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You're not answering my quarry about his family members.

for all I know he might have asked his wife for permission, and she said go for it....
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 12:02 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye it is a strange society we live in when we seems to feel we can demand of our leaders that they do not cheat on their husbands or wives.

Now it seems in this case he had used bad judgment in trusting the lady to have access to his private non-government email account and that when love hit the rocks she might had misused that access but that does not seems to raised to the level he should had needed to resign.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 12:05 pm
@hawkeye10,
You have a twisted mind; it's not "normal."
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JPB
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 12:07 pm
@BillRM,
As director of the CIA? Yes. Other positions? Probably not.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 12:07 pm
@BillRM,
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Hawkeye it is a strange society we live in when we seems to feel we can demand of our leaders that they do not cheat on their husbands or wives.

it is worse...we all pretty much admit that our current leaders tend to be incompetents who are habitual liers and morally challanged generally, but let them have sex with the wrong people or say the wrong thing and we go after them with the hook.

this looks to be pathologic.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2012 12:09 pm
@BillRM,
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All his achievements should be wiped out ...


You have a way strange sense of morality, Bill, calling war crimes and terrorism 'achievements'.

He should spend the rest of his days in a resurrected Spandau prison for heinous criminals.
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