Is there pantheist in the crowd

I have no idea what 'apodictical' means. Other than that, I consider myself pretty much a pantheist, existentially oriented to boot.

Originally I appended the term because it sounded impressive. It means, well, obvious or apparent. It proved a good choice however if you agree that pantheism represents the only approach not fraught with contradiction and paradox

Happy to welcome you into the clique Andy. Now there are three of us

I'm sure there are more than three. But not everyone is ready to declare themselves openly.

I'm not so sure. Have you Andy ever encountered one

In fear of being attacked mercilessly

i knew a pan flutist once

I'm fond of pan-fried trout myself.

We've had a couple of pantyists join the forum lately.

Lustig Andrei wrote:
I have no idea what 'apodictical' means.

Then you explained:



Given apodictic means incontestable and necessarily true, it should come as no surprise apodictic, anything, pantheists are thin on the ground.

Thank you Lood, it's not everyday I learn a new expression

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=meaning+of+thin+on+the+ground&oq=meaning+of+thin+on+the+ground&gs_l=hp.12..0i30.4546.10752.0.13608.29.13.0.16.16.0.312.1700.2j10j0j1.13.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.fznnt6S3ppE&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=4ac1328addbff75b&bpcl=35466521&biw=1432&bih=945

Thin indeed: Two so far, out of 100,000 participants

The pleasure is all yours, it's a bit rich to imagine pantheism is incontrovertibly true ( predilection?) or as flash as a rat with a gold tooth.

Thanks Lood, again, it's not everydday…….

Presume you're Aussie

http://andc.anu.edu.au/australian-words/meanings-origins?field_alphabet_value=111

In this regard Andy, I suppose different pantheists have slightly different notions so I'm interested to learn yours

Maybe we can stir up more interest

Sure, dale. Interesting that some of the comments on this thread have already demonstrated that the respondents don't actually grasp the concept. 'Pantheism' may sound like it's a belief in all the gods ever created by the human mind (and, in a way,that's accurate, too). But what it means for me is a recognition that there is a force -- a "spirit" if you will -- in every living and non-living thing and that it is perfectly legitimate to ascribe a "personhood" to the forces which animate everything. For me, at least, this is intended as no more than allegory and metaphor, but it is a quite useful means of describing that which is indescribable, of explaining the inexplicable.

Not far from where I live on the "Big Island" of Hawaii, is the dwelling of Pele, goddess of the volcanoes. She dwells in the Halemau'mau crater and makes her presence known from time to time through magnificent displays of spurting and flowing lava. Sometimes she will even shake the very ground we walk on just to remind us of her presence. Do I believe in the existence of this Pele as a real person? Well, of course not, and I seriously doubt that anyone ever did. But it's a much more poetic and beautiful way of expressing a fact of nature than by taking apart component parts and analyzing them in geological terms. It can be done either way; I prefer the mythic.

may the great spirit walk with you, andy...

I never considered calling it pantheism, but I can see how you got there.

the indians had a pretty solid grasp of it...

As my dine (Navajo) friends say, "May you walk in beauty, Rock."

Thanks Andy for the report and I gathered as much also. However it's a rare commodity

I agree. My way of putting it, is that it's an abstract concept but nonetheless real. Costco for instance is considered by most as very concrete and indeed it's nearer that end of the spectrum, with Her near the other, the abstract end. Nonetheless both possess a degree of reality

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder," an evolutionary phenom not widely so recognized, many human qualities arising therefrom

The caveman who agreed with the girls to its beauty was able to better strew his seed whereas the fella over there behind the rock, thinking only about how it got there, was shunned or at least not invited to dance

Andy, now how about creation

Coincidentally we find a rock at the nearest extreme of the concrete-abstract spectrum

We live in succession, in division, in parts, in particles. Meantime
within man is the soul of the whole; the wise silence; the universal
beauty, to which every part and particle is equally related, the
eternal ONE. And this deep power in which we exist and whose beatitude
is all accessible to us, is not only self-sufficing and perfect in
every hour, but the act of seeing and the thing seen, the seer and the
spectacle, the subject and the object, are one. We see the world piece
by piece, as the sun, the moon, the animal, the tree; but the whole,
of which these are shining parts, is the soul.

~Ralph Waldo Emerson
"Over-soul"
Essays: First Series, 1841

Geo can I now assume there are 3 of us

(Four if you include my No. 2 Son)