Constitution Restoration Act of 2004

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Right now the Dominionists are introducing legislation to replace 'The People' as the authority in our democracy's Constitution with ?'God' in a bill called ?'The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004,' exactly the opposite of what it really is, just like the Patriot Act, the Help America Vote Act, the Leave No Child Behind Act, and the Clear Skies Act. The legalities of the Christian Theocracy are being used to destroy our laws as if by the Taliban in Afghanistan.

It is absolutely real and happening right now while the media are busy covering gay marriage and Mel Gibson's bloody crucifixion porn film, ?'The Passion of the Christ.'

"on February 11 , 2004 Dominionist leaders in congress made their move; they introduced a bill in both houses called The Constitution Restoration Act of 2004. Among the sponsors of the bill are Rep. Robert Aderholt (Alabama), Rep. Michael Pence (Indiana), Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, Sen. Zell Miller (Georgia), Sen. Sam Brownback (Kansas), and Sen. Lindsey Graham (South Carolina).

The House version is H.R. 3799 and the Senate version is S. 2082. The bill limits the U.S. Supreme Court and federal courts to hear cases involving "expressions of religious faith by elected or appointed officials."

Although the claim by its sponsors appears to be that the intention is to prevent the courts from hearing cases involving the Ten Commandments or a Nativity Scene in a public setting from being reviewed, the law is drawn broadly and expressly includes the acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law by an official in his capacity of executing his office."

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0402/S00172.htm
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The fact that I can't find anything about this from anything other than fringe-ish sources makes me suspicious.....

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I found the Senate version (S 2082) on Thomas. I did not find the House version.

You should try reading the bill for yourself, rather than swallowing the news reporting whole. The report you cite makes it sound as if the bill requires acknowledgement of God as "the sovereign source of law by an official in his capacity of executing his office". What it actually attempts to do is protect any official who expresses that opinion from being hauled before the court for it.

Seems to me that all they are trying to do is guarantee judges and other officials the same freedom of religion that the rest of us enjoy. As such, I can't personally support the notion behind this bill, because I've never thought it made sense to pass a new law to address the fact that an existing one (or Constitutional protection) was being violated.

Of course, with so many anti-Christian voices today, and so many people genuinely hoodwinked about the true intention of the non-establishment clause, it doesn't surprise me that some lawmakers would consider something like this necessary.

But you feel free to consider this worrisome if you like. Seems you have a real hard-on for anything that has to do with God.

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I agree with Scrat! Shocked

I'll be back after I finish vomiting!

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Anti Christians? That's pure BS. Most people are not anti-Christian, they are anti Right Wing Christian Zealots who are trying to ram their version of Christianity down the American people's throats and attempting to subvert to Constitution and buy & bully the Govt. into forcing Americans to be under the yoke of their brand of Fascist perveted Christianity.

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Actually, if you read the bill itself, it doesn't do that.
SB2082
House Bill HR3799
And, to be fair, I would be very surprised if this passes. Its mostly hot air.

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pistoff wrote:

Anti Christians? That's pure BS. Most people are not anti-Christian, they are anti Right Wing Christian Zealots who are trying to ram their version of Christianity down the American people's throats and attempting to subvert to Constitution and buy & bully the Govt. into forcing Americans to be under the yoke of their brand of Fascist perveted Christianity.

When you set yourself up as the judge of what is "okay" Christianity and what is not, you are already anti-Christian. That you don't think so doesn't change that. I know racists who don't think they are racists, too. Sure, they use the "n" word and tell those jokes, but racist? Nooooooooo.... Rolling Eyes

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Because the judiciary is "an element" of the federal, state and local governments, this wording, if it becomes law, may allow any judge to institute biblical punishments without being subject to review by the Supreme Court or the federal court system.

I think this is wrong. The proposed bill apparently divests only the Supreme Court of any jurisdiction to review appeals, so the intermediate federal appeals courts are not affected. And the bill cannot completely eliminate the judiciary's ability to rule on a deprivation of a constitutional right, as the court implied in Ex parte Yerger (1869).

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Because the term "foreign" is a term of art in the law and can refer to another jurisdiction within the United States, like another state or another county, the proposed law is troubling.

This is clearly an incorrect interpretation of the act. "Foreign," in this context, unmistakably alludes to decisions from courts beyond the national boundaries of the United States.

But, in the end, hobitbob is right: this is just another example of the conservative fringe blowing a lot of hot air on an issue dear to the hearts of the televangelists and the immoral minority; there's no chance that the bill will be passed.

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joefromchicago wrote:

But, in the end, hobitbob is right: this is just another example of the conservative fringe blowing a lot of hot air...

1) I love that you point out two concrete examples of how HB is factually wrong in his analysis, then write that he is right "in the end". It's as if you think that he gets an A as long as he is against the right things, even if it is for the wrong (baseless) reasons.

2) Are you calling Zell Miller, a Democrat, the "conservative fringe"?

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BBB
Zell Miller is a Democrat in title only. He really is a consistent conservative Republican.

BBB

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Scrat wrote:

1) I love that you point out two concrete examples of how HB is factually wrong in his analysis, then write that he is right "in the end". It's as if you think that he gets an A as long as he is against the right things, even if it is for the wrong (baseless) reasons.

The two concrete examples that I quoted were from the article to which pistoff initially linked. Hobitbob had nothing to do with those quotations. Perhaps if you had actually read the linked article or any of Hobitbob's previous posts in this thread, you would not have made such a careless error.

Scrat wrote:

2) Are you calling Zell Miller, a Democrat, the "conservative fringe"?

Well, I wasn't singling out Zell Miller specifically, but I don't think I'd call him a part of the "conservative fringe." I'd prefer to think of him as a part of the "right-wing Democratic sell-out lunatic fringe."

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joefromchicago wrote:

Scrat wrote:
1) I love that you point out two concrete examples of how HB is factually wrong in his analysis, then write that he is right "in the end". It's as if you think that he gets an A as long as he is against the right things, even if it is for the wrong (baseless) reasons.

The two concrete examples that I quoted were from the article to which pistoff initially linked. Hobitbob had nothing to do with those quotations. Perhaps if you had actually read the linked article or any of Hobitbob's previous posts in this thread, you would not have made such a careless error.

Ahhhh. My bad. I owe both you and HB apologies...

1) Sorry, Joe.

2) Sorry, HB.

It was an honest mistake, but it was my mistake, so I'll own it. I guess I need to boot up my logic chip first, and my sarcasm chip second. I think I have them switched around at present. :wink:

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