Pa PASSES VOTER "PHOTO- ID" LAW

always fascinating to watch so-called conservatives pushing for more government bureaucracy

C. I., I don 't usually think much of your posts;
low expectations of your ability to reason,
but THIS TIME, I must thank u for giving me a hearty laff!!!

Will u complain of requirements that the same people must have
their pictures on their gun licenses, or on their driver's licenses ?????

Y have u failed to complain about that??
Thay carry guns to keep them ALIVE! That 's more important than voting.

Your arguments have little probative value and thay remain un-convincing.
The complaint is dismissed and Judgment Entered for the State Board of Elections.





David

Yes David the words of the lawmakers themselves is not enough for you however it is for most of the rest of us.

Take note that there had been no interfering with voting by way of absentee ballots as far too many of these voters vote for the GOP.

The GOP are showing themselves unfit to have power at any level of our governments due to these actions.

In a democracy there is no greater sin that to interfere with valid voters right to vote.

This website leans in your leftward direction;
hence that is probably true.





I remember late on Election Night of 2OOO,
it was made known that the Democrats had (that night) hired
an attorney known for his prowess in keeping out votes,
to apply his skills against the incoming absentee ballots of US Soldiers, Sailors & Marines.





David

I said I wasn't talking about voting, in terms of the general need for people, including poorer people, to have a government issued photo ID. Without it, they will be excluded, or prohibited from, engaging in many important everyday transactions and activities--like even being able to pick up their prescription for a controlled drug at the pharmacy in the state I live in, as well as in several other states.

Since I wasn't talking about voting, but rather the need for everyone to have a government photo ID, for a multitude of other important reasons and uses, why you are implying that I don't understand the GOP motives in trying to pass the voter ID laws, makes no sense. Again, stop using me as a straw-man so you can have an excuse to continue to repeat an opinion of yours that is unrelated to my comments.

And, as far as the voting laws are concerned, the main problem was the very limited time frame they were giving people to obtain the necessary photo ID, given the fact that election day is fast approaching. If we were a year away from an election, it would be considerably less difficult for anyone, including a poorer person, who does not already have an acceptable ID, to make the one time trip to the DMV so they can get one. And, in Florida, where you live, I think the cost of the state non driver ID is only $3, which is quite reasonable.

If you really care about the plight of poorer people, you should urge them to obtain such an ID if they don't have one. The transactions of daily life are much easier for those who have such IDs than for those who lack them. And the hassle of making that one time trip to the DMV is much less than the hassle one can encounter, in numerous situations, from lacking such ID.

This thread is about voting not about the important of having IDs for other reasons.

Second, there is a whole subset of people who are at the lower end of society that are not serve by banks they use check cashing services and 7/11 money orders, and if they need a loan they go to a payday check store or a pawnshop, if they wish to have a TV set they can not pay for in full they do not pull out a credit card but use a rent to own and so on.

So no I can not exist without government IDs but people can and they do,

About picking up prescription drugs; that's not true about having an ID. My wife picks up our son's prescription drugs without any need for an ID. That's true in California, but not sure about requirements in other states.

We belong to Kaiser, and my wife can pick up my prescription drugs. I can also order her drugs on my web account.

Since you constantly drag your own preoccupations into all threads, no matter how irrelevant to the topic they are, you really aren't the one to decree that others adhere strictly to the topic.

And I brought up the general necessity to have a government photo ID because I think the attempts to pass the voter ID laws should be a wake-up call to anyone who doesn't already have such an ID to go out and acquire one. It is a definite disadvantage not to have one in today's world, and people shouldn't disadvantage themselves in that way. And you don't know what they will be required for in the future, so it's far better to have it beforehand
I've known people like that, and not all of them are very poor, although they do tend to have lower paying jobs. And all of those people would still benefit from having a government photo ID. They would also benefit even more by learning some better money management practices since, the less you have, the more careful you have to be about where it's going. These people wind up paying more in service charges, as well as overpaying, by a great deal, with those rent to buy items. The ones I've known could qualify to open an account in a bank rather than use a check cashing place, but they seem to rely on these check cashing places out of force of habit or because it's a familiar lifestyle.

They could get along even better with that government photo ID, and they should be encouraged to get it.

actually firefly, you are the one being irrelevant. This thread was started to discuss the voter ID card in PA and other states by comparison. The needs for a photo ID card to buy thibgs at SAMS CLUB is totally beyond the scope f our discussion.

You are correct, several places require a photo ID, *I even have a library card with my pic). Howeve, I couldnt use it to vote. Whereas, in order to GET AN OFFICIAL PHOTO ID FOR VOTING, many people would have to expend funds to get "true" copies of two forms of identification that PA accepts. In that regard, this law is a POLL TAX in Pa.

This is also a tota;;y irrelevant digression/ Bill was using this as an example of the sort of people of whom he was speaking. You are now starting a diversion for how they can fix their statuses.

In Pa we are losing time . If this law is allowed to stand, many people will be disenfranchised (I have to keep draggin us back to the main point of MY thread).

Its SEPT 1 and the election is about 70 days away. It may take several weeks for people(who live a cash life without photo ids) to even find what they need to do. AS OF YET (and I went to the motor voter kiosk in Lancaster County) The Vogons havent gotten ANY advice or direction about the whole schmegeggie

That should be a good excuse to overthrow that ID law.

Y don 't u come out against any and ALL registration, to delight them better ??
Just let any one (citizen or not) vote as ofen as he wants????



What is a Vogon ??

The Board of Elections can probably handle the picture taking with extant personnel.
When pictures were added to our driver's licenses,
it did not prove to be any problem. That was true of our gun licenses too; no complaints.

The ONLY complaints are against stomping out Democratic voting fraud.
The Democrats consider that to be an ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM.

These photo ID laws only pertain to prescriptions for controlled substances in my state, and most other states, and these are fairly new laws. California may not yet have such a law, or you may not be on any medication which is a controlled substance.
As of 2010, 22 States did have some sort of law or provision related to dispensing prescriptions: Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, New Mexico, Nevada, New York, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Carolina, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia.
http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/Poisoning/laws/id_req.htm[/quote]
The above link is not up to date. More states now require a photo ID from the person picking up a prescription for a controlled drug--North Carolina, for instance.

I expect that these photo ID requirements, to pick up controlled drugs at the pharmacy will become nationwide.
This article, intended for pharmacists, explains why these requirements are being put into place
http://www.naddi.org/aws/NADDI/asset_manager/get_file/43173/1-12.pdf

Having a valid government photo ID is necessary for more and more things. Those who don't have one should get one, and every state should make sure they are obtainable by those who need them.

Thanks, that was helpful.

Then you don't understand what I am talking about. I'm not talking about photo library cards or photo Sam's Club cards.

You now need to show an approved government photo ID card in order to pick up your prescription for Vicodin, or Valium, or any other controlled drug that your doctor might prescribe for you, before the pharmacist will give it to you in my state and several other states. It is exactly the form of ID they are trying to require for voting in Pennsylvania.

Being able to obtain needed medication is also important. And now many people might need a government photo ID card in order to obtain some types of prescription medications that they need.

My point is simply that people--all people--need to have these government photo ID cards, because they are required for so many things. And I hope the attempts to pass these voting laws will result in more people getting them, for reasons other than voting.

And I share your concern about the voting law in Pennsylvania, particularly since the time until election day is growing shorter. I hope implementation of the law will be blocked. If it is not, not only will some people be disenfranchised, I think there will be chaos at the polls on election day in your state.

There was a victory in Ohio today against one Republican effort to restrict voting.

Although in Ohio the issue wasn't voter ID, it was still a Republican effort to try to restrict voting by minority and low-income Democrats.

I did a fast check on the silk road darknet site and found that at the moment no one happen to be selling PA driver licenses however they are selling Texas licenses along with a number of other states

When my state of Florida came up with a new driver license that was suppose to be proof from counterfeiting someone broke int0 a driver license station and stolen four of the new lic manufacturing machines within the first week. Kind of amusing.........

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