Pa PASSES VOTER "PHOTO- ID" LAW

The same as pictures can be required
for automotive licenses, thay can be required for voters' registrations.
New voters, registering for the first time, shud have the Board of Elections take their pictures then & there.
(Take their thum prints too; maybe a retinal scan.)





David

Once more you can not defend conditions to vote set not for the purpose of stopping non valid voting but to stop valid voting of citizens that have a constitution right to vote.

I can off hand think of no more of an evil act under a republic then to do so and there is not a bit of a question in my mind that if Obama and the Democratic had found a similar means to take your right to vote away that you would not be yelling for an arm revolution.

That is foolish.
I 'd just have my picture taken, as I have already done (too many times).
It never occurred to me to complain. That is faster, easier & safer than armed revolutions.


Your objections have been non-viable.
Whine all u want.





David

Yes the ID laws is not a barrier for you or I or anyone else in the middle class to vote that we agree on however this is not aim at us but at the poor who are far less likely to have such IDs as a matter of course or have far less means to get such an ID for any numbers of reasons such as far less access to transportation to go where they can get such an ID.

Now once more it the Obama and his supporters gotten their heads together and came up with a similar repeat a similar means of taking your rights to vote away you would not be at all happy.

Elections cannot be viable
without registering the citizens first, for obvious reasons.
There is NO reason that the registration process shud not include anti-fraud pictures.
The pictures r free and ez.





David

David has given up any pretense at this point that he has any independent thoughts.

If it's good for the GOP, then he supports it, no matter how a measure might affect personal liberties.

If it's bad for the Democratic Party, then he supports it, no matter how a measure might affect personal liberties.

Yet another anti-thought, anti-science, anti-proof, hyper partisan.

the evidence is that they are, in fact, not ezed

Sounds like a Tom Cruise movie i saw. (That was pretty lame like your logic)

REAL VOTER FRAUD is perped using "absentee ballots' and , last presidential election, the GOP tried to prevent large groups of kids who attended HBC's from voting. This was a case in PA where the GOP county officials (the majority btw) set up an entirely new voting place address for Lincoln University and Cheney State University. Then the GOP claimed that they were trying to prevent fraud in this one too. Aorry Dave, you guys quack like a duck and your recent history has been to clandestine disenfranchisement.

I dont G.A.S. whether you have some phony buttwipe opinion about "fraud prevention", youre whole PA party is just full of **** on this issue and youre still trying to mount a high ground while all along your own party leaders have stated that this voter ID ploy will help get GOP's elected.

BY YOUR PAST DEEDS SHALL WE KNOW YOU

Yesterday, when I went to the pharmacy, I noticed that they had a new notice posted. It said that, if you were picking up a prescription for a controlled drug, a government issued photo ID must be presented before you will receive it. If you pick up a prescription for someone else, you must have your own government issued photo ID to present.

Apart from the voting requirement we are discussing, it is apparent that government issued ID's are already necessary for many important everyday transactions and may become more and more necessary for other critical transactions people need to make--like receiving certain prescribed medications, or possibly voting in the future. Whether or not the voter ID laws remain or are struck down, I think that they should serve as the impetus for everyone to obtain some type of government issued photo ID, because it is likely to be needed at some point in the person's life and, having it beforehand simply makes life easier.

It may be a minor hassle, and a relatively minor expense, to obtain a birth certificate (or copy of one), or other form of acceptable proof of age, as well as to assemble the other few documents required for a state non driver ID, and to make a one time trip to the DMV to submit the paperwork and have a photo taken, but most people are quite able to do these things, either on their own, or with the help of family or friends, or with the help of community resources which are available. We are not talking about insurmountable hurdles here--most people can, and should, obtain a state issued form of photo ID if they do not drive, or have a passport, or other form of government photo ID, if they don't want to have their ability to complete transactions unduly limited or blocked because they lack that ID.

I really don't accept most of the excuses offered on this thread for why people can't obtain such government issued photo IDs, although I do feel that requiring them to be obtained within a short or limited period of time, in order to vote, is very wrong. But anyone who doesn't have such a government photo ID, and wants to be able to complete necessary transactions in today's world, should take the responsibility for obtaining one, and then just get one. The hassle of obtaining one is considerably less than the hassle of living without one.

good point but. The issue of photo ids to people who no longer have drivers licenses is different than these same people getting their prescriptions . Their part D card is their proof of purchase when Medicare i involved, and anyone younger probably already (and still) has a photo drivers license.

Im not against the thing happening. Im against it happening NOW with the ntional election forcing a tight schedule to acquire the cards. It is a scheme to limit the franchise

Not a problem in the world for a middle class person as we all have such ID in any case but it is a problem for a poor person living from day to day and who need to use public transportation to get anywhere.

If it was not a problem for the poor to get such IDs then the GOP would not had bother to pass such laws to fight a non-existing problem in the first place and such lawmakers would not be bragging that they had defeat Obama by passing such laws.

Yeh, If the GOP had just kept its damn mouth shut about the reasons for photo id (Stealing an election), they would have appeared truly sincere. AS it is, its a scam.

Medicare has absolutely nothing to do with my state's new requirement that you must show a government photo ID in order to pick up a prescription for a controlled drug. And several states now have these same government photo ID laws/requirements for dispensing controlled drugs.

My mother has a prescription for a controlled drug. If she didn't have her state non driver photo ID, or if I couldn't pick it up for her, the pharmacist would not give it to her, period. Her part D Medicare is irrelevant except for covering the cost.

I honestly was not even aware that the new government photo ID requirement, for picking up controlled prescriptions, was in effect until I saw that notice in the pharmacy yesterday, and I pay attention to the news. So, many other people might not be aware either, and some of them might not be able to get their meds.

People really need these government photo IDs for so many necessary transactions these days. Anyone who doesn't have one, should get one.

We agree on that.

A part D card? What's that, a card issued by an insurance company that sells prescription drug coverage for people on Medicare? Does it have a photo? I carried that kind of coverage for two years. No photo, and I don't believe Aetna is a government agency - yet.

A one time trip to the DMV, by public transportation, is not an insurmountable obstacle even for a poorer person. And, these days, even many middle class people are living day to day.

It is urban dwellers, and not just the poor urban dwellers, who are least likely to have driver's licenses, and to need a non driver state photo ID.

Poorer people definitely have a harder struggle, but stop regarding them as incompetent when it comes to their ability to solve problems, or deal with obstacles, and stop seeing them all as being bereft of friends or family or community resources to assist them. If anything, poorer people manage and deal with heart-ships and obstacles all the time--they are more than competent--and a one time trip to the DMV by public transportation is unlikely to be an insurmountable obstacle.

If anything, the poorer person may be more disadvantaged in everyday life by not having that government issued photo ID, so it's even more important that that group obtain it--so they are not excluded or blocked from engaging in everyday transactions because they lack it. As I just pointed out, it is now necessary in my state to have such a photo ID in order to receive certain medications from the pharmacy, so this isn't just about voting, and I made it clear in my last post that I'm not talking about voting.

Instead of carping about how hard it is for the poor to obtain a government photo ID, come up with ways that might make it easier for them to obtain one. It will make their lives easier if they have it. Don't deprive them--help them get it.

That 's just foolishness, but it 's harmless wind.
The fraudsters' cause has been defeated.




Never have I championed the liberty to perpetrate fraud;
not even for the DECENT guys, let alone the Democrats.





U raise a good point: it it is bad for the Democrats, (the repressionists)
then it is good for the personal liberty of each citizen.




Here Drew breaks down into the defeat of mindless hysteria.





David

U have some strange ideas; detached from reality, but futile.





David

we have no such requirement in Pa, YET we are trying to disenfranchise a whole segment of the population with this bogosity

It takes a lot of chutzpah and ignorance to tell anyone they are "detached from reality," when you're the one with strange and unnecessary government issued ID requirements to vote to "prevent fraud" where none exists.

You are one confused dude with no common sense or logic.

Sorry Firefly the GOP is passing those laws in a clear intend to put enough barriers to stop as many poor from voting as possible and no one that is honest can question that fact.

Now yes very very determine poor citizens can not be stop by these laws however that is not what is being try here the GOP is trying to stop the less then hundred percent determine citizens from exercising their rights to vote.

You would not strip me of my right to vote if it would mean walking thirty miles to get an ID however there in zero justification to placed such barriers to vote in front of the poor using the excuse of dealing with a problem that does not exist.