Pa PASSES VOTER "PHOTO- ID" LAW

@BillRM,

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As far as SS is concern my applying for it was done completely over the phone and I did not even need to send them a birth certificate to prove my age.

Well, I couldn't do it over the phone. It required hours of standing on lines at the Social Security office, and they required an official original copy of my birth certificate with a raised seal.

It was much more of a hassle, and physical ordeal, and considerably longer timewise, than going to my nearest DMV to help my mother exchange her drivers license for a non-driver photo ID. That was a breeze by comparison.

And every senior in this area had to go through that same ordeal at the SS office.

Seniors around here also need copies of their birth certificates to get age-based reductions in their property taxes--something else that involves paperwork and standing on long lines in a county office.

How did all these seniors get registered to vote in the first place if they lacked necessary documentation?

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@Lustig Andrei,

So your data are collected somewhere, at some sort of register of residents/citizens office/agency?

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@Mame,

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Registering in college requires it.
Opening a bank account
Getting a driver's licence (or renewing it, apparently)

How do they manage without ID?

They don't go to college.

They use check cashing services (and get ripped off for the privilege)

They don't drive

There are whole industries devoted to separating these folks from their money, in ways that don't require government-issued ID.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Yes, all you need to give them is your Social Secutity number, unique to each individual. The data is on file and accessible to anyone with a computer terminal that has access to such Federal records.

That register is amended every time you receive a pay check during your working life as to amount of income tax withheld, other Federal witholding information etc. etc. Thus your retirement benefits are figured out automatically and electronically, based on this data.

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@OmSigDAVID,

I'm consistent on wanting to stay on topic....

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

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As far as SS is concern my applying for it was done completely over the phone and I did not even need to send them a birth certificate to prove my age.

Well, I couldn't do it over the phone. It required hours of standing on lines at the Social Security office, and they required an official original copy of my birth certificate with a raised seal.

You got suckered. My dad just did it over the phone after he retired a few months ago.

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It was much more of a hassle, and physical ordeal, and considerably longer timewise, than going to my nearest DMV to help my mother exchange her drivers license for a non-driver photo ID. That was a breeze by comparison.

And every senior in this area had to go through that same ordeal at the SS office.

How long would it have taken if she didn't have a DL to begin with? Considerably longer.

Cycloptichorn

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@DrewDad,

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There are whole industries devoted to separating these folks from their money, in ways that don't require government-issued ID.

Yes and the government offer them no protections such as some sane limits on fees for all these services.

Of course the poor have no lobbyists to look after their interests and now there is this drive to take away their voting rights.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Funny how that kind of stuff works, isn't it? I register the car yearly, and check a box stating that the thing is insured. If I renew, I have to bring in physical proof of insurance.

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@firefly,

My wife and I have a Medicare Health Insurance card with our name and medicare claim number on it.

I've used it to get free rides on the bus in Philly, and to apply for a senior national parks pass.

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@firefly,

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Well, I couldn't do it over the phone. It required hours of standing on lines at the Social Security office, and they required an official original copy of my birth certificate with a raised seal.

You must be a hell of a lot older then I had always assume if you needed to go through those hoops as two years ago it was not needed and from my understanding phone and computer sign up had been available for many years before I did so.

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@BillRM,

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Of course the poor have no lobbyists to look after their interests

If Pennylvania is giving the voter ID card free, and without the requirement of a birth certificate, to those who could not obtain the non-driver photo ID, or any other approved photo ID, how is this depriving the poor of their right to vote?

Yours is the kind of hysterical hype that I find a turn-off.

I hope the ACLU comes up with better arguments in court than you do.

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@roger,

roger wrote:

Funny how that kind of stuff works, isn't it? I register the car yearly, and check a box stating that the thing is insured. If I renew, I have to bring in physical proof of insurance.

Of course, I meant to say "If I renew in person, . . .

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@BillRM,

Bill, it's been 10 years since I signed for SS at age 62. I didn't have to wait in lines or go through any of that stuff firefly talks about. Birth certicicate with raised seal??? I don't have any such paper. I have no idea where any copies of my birth certicate are any more. I rely on my DL to get me through. That and my US passport.

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@firefly,

Dear heart to put any unneeded repeat any unneeded burden on the poor to exercise their rights to vote is wrong in both a legal sense and a moral sense.

An needed is not define as needed for the GOP to win PA in the upcoming election. Very Happy

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@Lustig Andrei,

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Bill, it's been 10 years since I signed for SS at age 62. I didn't have to wait in lines or go through any of that stuff firefly talks about

Well, it hasn't been 10 years since I applied for SS, and I had to do in person at a very crowded SS office with very long lines.

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Birth certicicate with raised seal??? I don't have any such paper. I have no idea where any copies of my birth certicate are any more. I

I had to order an official copy of my birth certificate from the city I was born in. It's not that big a deal.

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@firefly,

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I had to order an official copy of my birth certificate from the city I was born in. It's not that big a deal.

How much did it cost? 'cause, you really ought to add that amount to the considerations of the Poll Tax you are supporting.

All to solve a problem that simply does not exist.

Cycloptichorn

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@Lustig Andrei,

From my understanding of why picture ID's are not required when applying for social security is that the applicant usually uses the same mailing address while working, and the tax returns confirms the taxpayer's residence - in addition to the social security number.

Not much different than voting. Anyone trying to use another person's address will be found out pretty quick.

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@Lustig Andrei,

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Bill, it's been 10 years since I signed for SS at age 62. I didn't have to wait in lines or go through any of that stuff firefly talks about. Birth certicicate with raised seal??? I don't have any such paper. I have no idea where any copies of my birth certicate are any more. I rely on my DL to get me through. That and my US passport.

Ten years so Firefly would have needed to be more then 72 years old and more likely 75 years old assuming they stop demanding such paperwork just ten years ago a few moments before you apply.

Been googling away trying to see when SS stop the kinds of demands that Firefly is claiming she needed to go through.

But it is looking like Firefly is either very very old or she is once more bullshitting all of us.

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@Cycloptichorn,

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How much did it cost? 'cause, you really ought to add that amount to the considerations of the Poll Tax you are supporting.

I honestly don't remember what the copy of the birth certificate cost, but I think it was under $10. But I've had to obtain copies through the years for other reasons as well, and it was never very expensive.

The voter ID card in Pennsylvania will be free to those who qualify, and it will not require a birth certificate. So, where's the "Poll Tax?"

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@firefly,

Hey, I have an idea. Nobody is abusing construction supplies, but I'm afraid someone might start doing so because of the Batman movie. Let's make it so only licensed contractors can buy 2x4 boards....

I mean, I can't prove that someone has misused a 2x4, but it's probably likely.

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