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Mass Shooting At Denver Batman Movie Premiere

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 09:57 pm
@BillRM,
You and oralloy should really rush to this man's defense. He sounds like just your type. Laughing And, horrors, they took his guns away. Shocked
Quote:
Colorado shooting leads to questions about Brookline gun hoarder
By Ashley Studley
Wicked Local Brookline
Jul 25, 2012

Brookline — Selectmen Chairman Betsy DeWitt asked Police Chief Daniel O’Leary for an update on accused weapons hoarder Richard Becker following the theater massacre in Aurora, Co. last week.

DeWitt said she’s heard from citizens concerned about the case, and the weapons cache police found in Becker’s Brookline home in June.

“I have read some of the emails that have gone around, and the amount of weapons and ammunition we took out of that house could have caused a lot of carnage depending on how it was used,” O’Leary said.

Becker, 51, of 181 Harvard St., was arrested on June 11 and charged on two warrants out of Quincy District Court and 39 firearm violations. He lives in a three-story brick home just blocks away Coolidge Corner.

When police searched his home last month they found swords, knives, and 36 guns, including several high-powered assault weapons in his home. All of the guns were unlicensed. They also found thousands of rounds of high-powered ammunition. Among the weapons police took from the home were an AK-47, an Uzi, a TEC-9 pistol, and a colt-AR-15—a popular assault weapon used by the US military. Some of the weapons were the same or similar to those used in the Colorado shooting.

Becker was originally held without bail at his arraignment on June 14. Then, at a dangerousness hearing on June 20, a judge decided Becker was dangerous and ordered him held for 90 days. At the time a judge said the Becker’s illegal arsenal of weapons, combined with his “reclusive,” behavior, convinced her that he posed a danger to the community.

But Becker’s court-appointed attorney appealed the ruling and Becker was back in court on June 28. At the appeal a different judge said Becker was still dangerous but he thought he could be released with sufficient conditions to keep the public safe. The judge said Becker has no history of violence and his recent arrest was his first. He posted $5,000 cash bail and was released on July 17.

O’Leary said Becker’s being monitored with a GPS bracelet, can only leave his house with approval from the Probation Department and cannot have any firearms.

“Those conditions have been met. We are in contact with the Brookline Probation Department and are continuing to monitor the situation,” he said. “I’ve been asked: can we guarantee it’s over with him? I can’t say that, but I can say we have done everything we could to find the weapons in the house at the time, though we did only recover 16 of the 18 weapons we had a warrant for.”

O’Leary said police weren’t able to find out where those last two weapons were, but said officers and dogs thoroughly searched the house.

DeWitt said she’s confident in their abilities.

“I know you and your officers did your best to make sure he would not be a threat to anybody in Brookline,” she said.
http://www.wickedlocal.com/brookline/news/x1400285411/Colorado-shooting-leads-to-questions-about-Brookline-gun-hoarder#ixzz23xbkNOM8
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 09:59 pm
@izzythepush,
Lets start with this one...

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/329942/28/89-year-old-pulls-gun-on-burglars

then this one...

http://m.nbc12.com/autojuice?targetUrl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.nbc12.com%2fstory%2f18937571%2fstore-owner-pulls-gun-on-robbers-to-save-loved-one

then this one...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-23/phoenix-teen-shoots-intruder/55782484/1

So right there are 3 stories where a gun has been used to protect innocent lives, and all of them are verified by local law enforcement.



firefly
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 10:15 pm
Quote:
CNN Poll: Gun control opinions following shootings
Posted by
CNN Political Unit
August 9, 2012

Washington (CNN) - Americans' attitudes toward gun control have remained steady in the wake of the recent shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin, according to a new national poll.

A CNN/ORC International poll released Thursday indicates that the public remains divided on the issue, with 50% saying they favor no restrictions or only minor restrictions on owning guns and 48% supporting major restrictions or a complete ban on gun ownership by individuals except police and other authorized personnel.

Those numbers are identical to where they were in 2011, and the number who support major restrictions or a complete ban has remained in the 48%-to-50% range for more than a decade.

"Not surprisingly, there are gender and ideological gaps on this issue, with more than six in ten women and two thirds of self-described liberals supporting major restrictions or a complete ban, compared to just 34% of men and 36% of self-described conservatives," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "And major restrictions on guns are most popular in urban areas and in the Northeast than in the rest of the country."

What specific restrictions do Americans favor?

The poll indicates that two meet with almost unanimous approval: Ninety-six percent are in favor of background checks and 91% support laws to prevent convicted felons or people with mental health problems from owning guns.

Three-quarters of people questioned favor gun registration with local governments, and roughly six in ten favor bans on the sale or possession of semi-automatic weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips. But 54% oppose a limit on the number of guns an individual can own, and only one in ten think that all Americans should be prevented from owning guns.

"It's important to note that the numbers on those proposals have also remained essentially unchanged in the wake of the recent shootings," adds Holland.

The CNN poll was conducted by ORC International Tuesday and Wednesday (August 7-8), after Sunday's shootings at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin and after last month's shootings at a movie theater in Colorado.

One-thousand and ten adult Americans were questioned by telephone in the survey. The poll's overall sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/09/cnn-poll-gun-control-opinions-in-wake-of-shootings/
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 10:23 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
update on accused weapons hoarder Richard Becker following the theater massacre in Aurora, Co. last week.


I hear of an animal hoarder but a gun hoarder?

In everyday terms you normally call such people guns collectors not guns hoarders.

Of course it all in the words you used is it not Firefly as the word hoarder had a great deal less desirable emotional meaning then the word collector or even for that matter a major gun collector.

The biggest private collection of high power weapons I myself had ever seen was in the Homestead Airforce on base housing of an air force sergeant friend and his family that at the time belong to the same computer club I was a member of.

I assume that he needed to full out one hell of a lot of paperwork even back then, late 1980s, to have such a collection of private firearms on an Airforce base.

Now I got to wonder how 36 firearms can be used by one person to "caused a lot of carnage" as he could not had move them in two or three shopping cart less alone make any use of more then maybe three of them in any kind of a firearm mass murder attempt for example.

But then logic and commonsense is not the strong point of the anti gun crowd it would seems.



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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 10:31 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
You and oralloy should really rush to this man's defense. He sounds like just your type. Laughing And, horrors, they took his guns away. Shocked


Cases like this are the reason no one believes you when you try to peddle lies about no one wanting to take peoples' guns away.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 10:31 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Why insist on the need to complete background checks in only 24 hours? The idea is to have a careful background check and not one that is arbitrarily rushed through and doesn't serve its purpose.


It is because it violates the Constitution to needlessly inconvenience gun buyers.



firefly wrote:
oralloy wrote:
The gun banners clearly want to take all guns away from all people.


Really? I don't hear people saying that.


You're more transparent than you think.



firefly wrote:
You can't differentiate between meaningful gun control, to try to contain the distribution and circulation of illegal weapons, and to try to keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people, and to try to stem the amount of senseless gun violence going on in this country, and your paranoid fantasies that someone is going to deprive you of your guns.


There is nothing meaningful about any of the measures you propose. You just like violating people's civil rights.



firefly wrote:
I don't doubt that you are an inadequate quivering mass of anxiety without your gun, because you're the only person I've ever heard say that they felt so uncomfortable in Canada, because they had to walk around unarmed, that they couldn't wait to get home. Talk about being a wuss. Laughing


You're a freedom hater. You would never understand why someone might prefer to live in freedom.



firefly wrote:
Poor baby, no one is coming for your gun(s). Laughing


But you would, if you had the power to do so.

But you are technically correct. The NRA will prevent you from being able to take away my guns.



firefly wrote:
But, as I said before, if they ever require evidence of mental health for gun possession, then you really might be in trouble. Laughing


Repeating your childish name-calling still does nothing to compensate for your lack of an intelligent argument.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 10:48 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
It is because it violates the Constitution to needlessly inconvenience gun buyers.

Allowing more than 24 hours to do a background check violates the Constitution?

LMAO Laughing

You've either gotta be kidding, or you are a Grade A bona fide nut case. Laughing

Bye, oralloy, I can't listen to your craziness any more--my sides hurt from laughing.



oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 10:59 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
oralloy wrote:
It is because it violates the Constitution to needlessly inconvenience gun buyers.


Allowing more than 24 hours to do a background check violates the Constitution?


Yes.

But more to the point, there is a reason why there is no background check for unlicensed sellers at gun shows. And that reason has nothing to do with the NRA.

If you're looking for the reason why criminals can buy at gun shows with no background check, go look in the mirror.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 18 Aug, 2012 11:33 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
At the time a judge said the Becker’s illegal arsenal of weapons, combined with his “reclusive,” behavior, convinced her that he posed a danger to the community.


You have to roll over laughing the man was denial bail in part because he did not have enough face book friends it would seems.

So now introvert people who are arm are more of a threat to society then extroverts?

As part of the check to see if you should be allow to own firearms should be a standard personalty test that grade you on whether you are too introvert or would proving that you have more then say fifty facebook friends be enough?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 12:21 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
So now introvert people who are arm are more of a threat to society then extroverts?


There is a long and strong American prejudice against introverts......there is nothing new here. Get Americans to acknowledge how prejudiced they are? Ya, good luck with that, as they will recite some rote speech about how they like people with all different skin colors with their mind shut like a steel trap.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 12:25 am
@firefly,
Quote:
Several publications have pointed out that these are extremely popular weapons in the United States, and thus not uncommon to find in gun collections. But there’s been a lot of attention paid to how Holmes obtained his weapons. That’s still up in the air with Becker, who had permits for about half his weapons at one point, but allowed them to expire. It’s still unclear how he obtained the rest of his weapons.


This is a strange case for a number of reasons. First living in Florida I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around the concept that you not only need permission to own guns in your home but you need to renew that permissions from time to time.

The crime he seem to be guilty of is being careless concerning the state require paperwork for his collection and off hand I would think such carelessness would call for a fine not a raid and a prison cell.

This seems to have more to do with the guy seeming a little strange to people who knew he had a large gun collection and who drop a dime on him.

Still you would think the sane response by the state would be a visit him and telling him he need to renew his permissions for some of his firearms and to apply for the others in say 30 days and pay a fine of some kind.

Bet the state is getting one hell of a wave of late renewals for firearm premises as a result of this story.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 02:23 am
@firefly,
Quote:
It is because it violates the Constitution to needlessly inconvenience gun buyers.
firefly wrote:
Allowing more than 24 hours to do a background check violates the Constitution?

LMAO Laughing

You've either gotta be kidding, or you are a Grade A bona fide nut case. Laughing

Bye, oralloy, I can't listen to your craziness any more--my sides hurt from laughing.
Background checks violate the "equal protection of the laws" required by the Constitution.
It is a question of discrimination in regard to the right to defend your life
and to defend your other property, which is a lot more important
than the quality of your seating on a bus for a few minutes, a relatively trivial matter.





David
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 02:38 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Background checks violate the "equal protection of the laws" required by the Constitution.
It is a question of discrimination in regard to the right to defend your life
and to defend your other property, which is a lot more important
than the quality of your seating on a bus for a few minutes, a relatively trivial matter.


we see with the governments anti-smoking program a willingness to make smoking practically illegal without actually making it illegal, so we must have every expectation that the government will if it can get way with it use "background checks" to make other actions practically illegal without actually making them illegal. "we the government understand that you would like to hold a protest 15 days from now, but we cant possibly get the required background check finished before 6 months time so you are SOL buddy!"

once a government proves it is unwilling to deal honestly with its citizens it must be replaced by the citizens, that government has become criminally oppressive.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 03:05 am
@hawkeye10,
I am still getting over the poor guy who had done zero wrong but for not keeping up some paperwork on his gun collection that I never even hear of being require in the states I had live in as a gun owing adult being drag off to jail.

Dogs repeat dogs searching his home for more guns of all things and he is call a hoarder as if he had too many cats and then some brain dead female Firefly type judge who likely never own a firearm in her life not granting him bond because of him being an introvert.

They do not know where he got some of his firearms?

Let see one handgun of mine was a private sale decades ago from a co-worker that I might had a receipt somewhere or I might not after having a home ripped apart by Hurricane Andrew and the seller had pass away in the 1980s.

My shotgun was given to me when my great uncle pass away and I had zero paperwork on that weapon.

The gun I inheritance from my grandfather in 1960s is pre 1898 so it is not consider a firearm.

Thank god I live in a state where I had no need to show where my firearms came from or register them for that matter.

Not only registering them but needing to renew the registration from time to time for some strange reason.

With 36 firearms I bet all that registration was costing him a lot of dollars over the years.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 03:06 am
@hawkeye10,
DAVID wrote:
Background checks violate the "equal protection of the laws" required by the Constitution.
It is a question of discrimination in regard to the right to defend your life
and to defend your other property, which is a lot more important
than the quality of your seating on a bus for a few minutes, a relatively trivial matter.
hawkeye10 wrote:
we see with the governments anti-smoking program a willingness to make smoking practically illegal without actually making it illegal, so we must have every expectation that the government will if it can get way with it use "background checks" to make other actions practically illegal without actually making them illegal. "we the government understand that you would like to hold a protest 15 days from now, but we cant possibly get the required background check finished before 6 months time so you are SOL buddy!"

once a government proves it is unwilling to deal honestly with its citizens it must be replaced by the citizens, that government has become criminally oppressive.


From HELLER, citing with approval:
" Every late-19th-century legal scholar that we have read
interpreted the Second Amendment to secure an individual
right unconnected with militia service. The most famous
was the judge and professor Thomas Cooley
, who
wrote a massively popular 1868 Treatise on Constitutional
Limitations
. Concerning the Second Amendment it said:
“Among the other defences to personal liberty
should be mentioned the right of the people to keep
and bear arms. . . . The alternative to a standing army
is ‘a well-regulated militia,’ but this cannot exist
unless the people are trained to bearing arms. How
far it is in the power of the legislature to regulate this
right, we shall not undertake to say, as happily there
has been very little occasion to discuss that subject by
the courts.” Id., at 350.


That Cooley understood the right not as connected to
militia service, but as securing the militia by ensuring
a populace familiar with arms, is made even clearer in his
1880 work, General Principles of Constitutional Law.
The Second Amendment, he said, “was adopted with some
modification and enlargement from the English Bill of Rights of 1688,
where it stood as a protest against arbitrary
action of the overturned dynasty in disarming the
people.” Id., at 270. In a section entitled
“The Right in General,” he continued:


“It might be supposed from the phraseology of this
provision that the right to keep and bear arms was
only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an
interpretation not warranted by the intent. The militia,
as has been elsewhere explained, consists of those
persons who, under the law, are liable to the performance
of military duty, and are officered and enrolled for service
when called upon. But the law may make provision
for the enrolment of all who are fit to perform
military duty, or of a small number only, or it
may wholly omit to make any provision at all; and if
the right were limited to those enrolled, the purpose of
this guaranty might be defeated altogether by the action
or neglect to act of the government it was meant
to hold in check
. The meaning of the provision undoubtedly
is, that the people, from whom the militia must be taken,
shall have the right to keep and bear arms;
and they need no permission or regulation
of law for the purpose
. But this enables government
to have a well-regulated militia; for to bear arms implies
something more than the mere keeping; it implies the
learning to handle and use them in a way that makes
those who keep them ready for their efficient use;
in other words, it implies the right to meet for voluntary
discipline in arms, observing in doing so the laws of
public order.” Id., at 271.

All other post-Civil War 19th-century sources we have
found concurred with Cooley. One example from each
decade will convey the general flavor:
“[The purpose of the Second Amendment is] to secure
a well-armed militia. . . . But a militia would be useless
unless the citizens were enabled to exercise themselves
in the use of warlike weapons. To preserve this privilege,
and to secure to the people the ability to oppose themselves
in military force against the usurpations of government
,
as well as against enemies from without, that government is forbidden
by any law or proceeding to invade or destroy the right to keep and
bear arms
. . . . The clause is analogous to the one securing
the freedom of speech and of the press "

[All emfasis has been lovingly added by David.]
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 03:23 am
@mysteryman,
That's a far cry from the amount FF showed. And you've only got the shooter's word that they weren't killing for kicks and then making it look like a robbery afterwards.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 03:28 am
@OmSigDAVID,
i should think that the illegality of poll taxes and poll tests is a better argument...the government can not deprive me of my rights by setting up discriminatory strategic roadblocks, so where does the government get the right to delay my obtaining of my rights by setting up roadblocks?
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 03:39 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
My shotgun was given to me when my great uncle pass away and I had zero paperwork on that weapon.


A "weapon" is an instrument designed to inflict harm and destruction Bill. For popping tin cans "toy" is the word.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 06:28 am
@spendius,
Quote:
"weapon" is an instrument designed to inflict harm and destruction Bill. For popping tin cans "toy" is the word.


Shooting tin cans with a 12 guage double barrel shotgun you got to be kidding me!!!!!!!!

Oh I forgot you would not know given that your government does no trust if citizens, I mean the subjects of the queen, with any firearms and even give you a hard time about having air guns.

If you was not for others to be in your same sad shoes I would feel sorry for you to had allowed old women as in both male and female old women to had disarm you so only criminals and the government have firearms.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2012 06:33 am
@BillRM,
Again, you just make up your own facts that have no basis in reality. You're getting more and more like Oralboy with every passing hour.

Wasn't it an unarmed old woman who disarmed the shooter of Gabrielle Gifford. All the time armed men just like yourself were shitting their pants and hiding in the shadows.
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