Mass Shooting At Denver Batman Movie Premiere

oralloy wrote:

We free Americans all fully understand that our freedom to have guns is not the cause of periodic slaughters.

It's odd, then, that almost everyone so inclined first equips himself/themselves with an arsenal of modern firearms and a copious quantity of ammunition.

What could the reason be?

we might see a push for legislation limiting ammo capacity, and I had started to ponder what sort of position I'd want to take on that issue.

Clips can be change damn fast and second his high capacity clip/gun jam a far more likely outcome, in my opinion, then if he had been using smaller clips of ammo where there had been slightly less heating of the weapon.

Even with full military machine guns you fire bursts not full rock and roll due to the heating of the weapon.

Clips can be change damn fast and second his high capacity clip/gun jam a far more likely outcome, in my opinion,
then if he had been using smaller clips of ammo where there had been slightly less heating of the weapon.

Even with full military machine guns you fire bursts not full rock and roll due to the heating of the weapon.

Correct me if I am wrong but don't some states mandate that trigger locks be on the weapons?

Which to me essentially leaves the weapon unusable in a time of crisis.

But I see limiting clip capacity as just being a hurdle that would easily be over come by anyone wanted to cause harm.
In a place where no one is carrying it doesn't matter if there is one bullet per clip, they could still injure or kill many people.
I think it is just a desperate struggle to get rid of guns because they have been demonized so much.

Actual construction of the firearms described in these books and videos may be illegal under federal law. The BATF actively pursues and prosecutes anybody who violates firearm statutes.

I know that Obama tried for item #2 when he was a US senator

Why is it at all relevant that one method of killing is chosen over some other method?

Colorado Shooting Haunts an E.R. Staff
By ERICA GOODE
August 16, 2012

Dr. Sasson arrived for her shift at 11 p.m. that Thursday. Filling in for another doctor at the last minute, she had skipped the two-hour nap she usually takes before a night shift. As her colleague ran through the list of patients, she thought, “I can just power through till 8 a.m.”...

But soon afterward, with the E.R. already full to capacity, news of a shooting began to filter in.

Ms. Davis, the charge nurse, thought it was probably a gang shooting — they had happened before at the theater — and she began preparing for one to three new patients, the usual number from such an event. But at 12:45 a.m., she got a call from a police officer at the scene telling her of “multiple wounded,” and that the victims were being transported by police car.

Mr. Kennedy, listening to the police scanner, could hear the terror in the voices of the police officers at the scene. “It basically sounded like absolute chaos,” he said. “It sounded just like a war zone.” First it was a few injured, “then it was 4,5, 6 and then it was 15 and then it was unknown, and crowds of people covered in blood. We were like, ‘Oh man, what’s going on?’”

The first police cruiser screeched into the ambulance bay at 1:06 a.m., followed closely by others, each bearing two or three victims.

“It was another car, another car,” Dr. Sasson recalled. “We were standing out here literally pulling out bodies and putting them onto stretchers.”

By 1:21 a.m., 15 minutes later, 9 patrol cars and an ambulance had pulled up, discharging 13 patients, many with disastrous injuries.

“I think a lot of us have seen very bad gunshot wounds before,” Dr. Sasson said. “But some of the pictures that I think many of us have stuck in our heads to this day are just some of the most horrible injuries, people with their guts hanging out, people with their brains coming out.”

A storeroom just inside the doors was quickly transformed into a treatment room. The two trauma rooms were already full, and stretchers lined the hallways. One man sat in the waiting room holding up his bleeding arm. “I’m O.K. Take care of the other patients first,” he told the doctors.

Every 15 minutes, Dr. Sasson and the other emergency room attending doctor, Barbara Blok, along with other staff made the rounds. Gunshot wounds are notoriously unpredictable and patients “can go from super stable to critical, blood pressures dropping, crashing, altered mental status, unresponsive, within a couple of minutes,” Dr. Sasson said.

Throughout the hospital, people were reacting. A command center was set up. Calls went out to neurosurgeons, chest and vascular specialists, orthopedic surgeons, who sped in to work, as did more than 100 other staff members, from radiologists to housekeepers. Nurses came down from the intensive care unit. Residents hurried to the emergency room from other floors. Operating rooms were opened up. Nine operations were carried out over the next hours.

The hospital’s blood bank received 185 units of blood. Rapidly depleting supplies — chest tubes, Pleur-evacs and sterile operating room towels — were replenished.

At one point Dr. Sasson remembers thinking, “I wonder if the shooter is here?”

Dr. Gordon Lindberg, a surgeon and medical director of the hospital’s burn unit, who coordinated surgery through the night and operated on a patient with 18 shotgun holes in the small bowel, said that since the shooting he had often thought how lucky it was that the gunman’s semiautomatic rifle jammed. Shotgun pellets, smaller and traveling at a lower velocity, inflict less damage, he said.

“As good as we were in mobilizing everyone and getting everyone here and opening the operating rooms,” he said, “if it had been mostly an automatic rifle to people’s heads, bellies, vessels, you name it, I don’t see any hospital handling it; I really don’t. There would have been deaths.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/17/us/colorado-mass-shooting-tested-an-er-staff.html?_r=1&hp

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I know that Obama tried for item #2 when he was a US senator

Do you have a citation for this?

Preferably the bill number that was introduced.

I'm guessing this is another of your paranoid fantasies that has no basis in reality.

Gee.. Why is it relevant when whether some states have nuclear weapons or not? Why is it relevant that they have chemical weapons. After all, one method of killing is no different from another, right?

I think the people avidly discussing various types of firearms in this thread, and defending their "right" to own such weapons of destruction, and their belief that such weapons should be easily obtainable by the next would-be mass murderer, should also consider the amount and types of damage these weapons inflict--particularly the semi-automatic weapons--because that's the reality of gun violence.

Dr. Gordon Lindberg, a surgeon and medical director of the hospital’s burn unit, who coordinated surgery through the night and operated on a patient with 18 shotgun holes in the small bowel, said that since the shooting he had often thought how lucky it was that the gunman’s semiautomatic rifle jammed. Shotgun pellets, smaller and traveling at a lower velocity, inflict less damage, he said.

“As good as we were in mobilizing everyone and getting everyone here and opening the operating rooms,” he said, “if it had been mostly an automatic rifle to people’s heads, bellies, vessels, you name it, I don’t see any hospital handling it; I really don’t. There would have been deaths.”

Trying to claim that there are other methods of inflicting death, so why single out firearms, particularly semi-automatic weapons, is not only an attempt to deny the reality of the greater carnage these weapons can produce,

it also reveals an indifference to trying to stop that carnage.

I guess the 12 people killed, and the 58 wounded, in the Aurora theater, were just acceptable collateral damage, in the fight to preserve "gun rights".

That's the message of the indifference to this sort of violence.

Given from the evidences in the shooter apartment he had more then enough ability to had build and placed a backpack device in that theater that likely would had resulted in far more deaths then did occur we sadly might be lucky that he decided to go Rambo instead of the mad bomber route.

Correct me if I am wrong but don't some states mandate that trigger locks be on the weapons? Which to me essentially leaves the weapon unusable in a time of crisis.

Gun owners "rights", and wishes, seem to trump everything else- considerations of compassion, of commonsense, of common humanity, of any involvement with society.

It is a stain upon the nation.

The results of widespread gun ownership are plain to see...

...but 'there is none so blind as he who will not see.'

Clips can be change damn fast and second his high capacity clip/gun jam a far more likely outcome, in my opinion, then if he had been using smaller clips of ammo where there had been slightly less heating of the weapon.

Even with full military machine guns you fire bursts not full rock and roll due to the heating of the weapon.

think the people avidly discussing various types of firearms in this thread, and defending their "right" to own such weapons of destruction, and their belief that such weapons should be easily obtainable by the next would-be mass murderer, should also consider the amount and types of damage these weapons inflict--particularly the semi-automatic weapons--because that's the reality of gun violence.