Mass Shooting At Denver Batman Movie Premiere

And today, two days after that massacre, just another example of why we should all heed oralloy and David and stockpile guns for self-defense against awful people out to hurt us:

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Cop shoots and kills son after reportedly mistaking him for an intruderBy NBC News staff

An off-duty police officer shot and killed his son after mistaking him for an intruder, New York State Police said.

Michael Leach, 59, an officer with the Parry Police Department in Wyoming County in western New York state, was staying at a motel in Old Forge. He called 911 early Saturday to say he just shot someone he thought was an intruder, troopers said, according to The Syracuse Post-Standard.


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The victim turned out to be his son, Matthew S. Leach, 37, of Rochester.

Troopers said that the elder Leach used his department-issued .45-caliber Glock handgun in the shooting. He was hospitalized after the shooting for what for what troopers described as a "medical issue."

David is, as always. wrong.

The four dissenters on Heller, uninfluenced by the gun nut lobby, correctly read the 2nd amendment as being, as it clearly states, about the militia and only about the militia, [emfasis was added by David]

which had far greater importance in 1792 than today, when it does not perform anything much like the duties envisioned for it then. It is not talking about an individual right at all, and that collective interpretation was the majority view of the amendment until extreme right-wing activist groups like the NRA started talking their madness.

My aim is to disarm the predators, David,

your aim is to arm them. Do not try to distort that.

It is common sense, David. But in the real world, not your ideal world, people don't. Particularly when under stress, real or imagined.

We do not have to justify our decisions with any reasoning.

He shot because he thought the guy was an intruder.
Isn't that why you guys say you need guns, so you can kill intruders.

David has above maintained that no one with a gun would ever shoot without being sure of his target,

when I suggested mass carnage would ensue in a theater with everyone armed and no one sure who the shooter was.

Clearly David might be just a teensy bit starry-eyed about people actually identifying the shooter and firing only at that person.

Hey, David, isn't your stock answer in these situations that the person shot should have had a gun?

Should the son have had a gun

and killed his dad before his dad mis-identified him?

If u get a gun, Jack, I cannot foretell what u will do with it.

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We do not have to justify our decisions with any reasoning.

That must come as a relief to some of you.

We hear a lot on these threads about the concept of freedom, and how it is perceived...perverted, some would say...by the "cold, dead hands" lobby.

Civilisation everywhere, which naturally involves people living in close proximity, requires regulation and statute to control all manner of things that we may and may not do. Sometimes it's common sense, sometimes its consensus.

You may not light a fire where there is a potential danger to life or property, you must drive on only one side of the road, you cannot drive an unlicensed vehicle on the highway, you cannot keep dangerous animals in your backyard from whence they may escape, and so on.

Everyone knows, and statistics show, that any interaction is made more dangerous when handguns are present and people are willing to use them, no doubt in exercising their "freedom".

Hoping that, one day, the light will dawn.

If u get a gun, Jack, I cannot foretell what u will do with it.

There you go.

Money could, by some bizarre line of reasoning, be said to have killed someone. Obviously, people are killed by cars all the time. The intent of money, however, is not lethal. People do not purchase automobiles because they hope to maim or kill with them. A handgun, however, has one and only purpose--to maim or kill.

Why can't we impliment the same sort of training for everyone?

I will not discharge my weapon without knowing what my target is.

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Why can't we impliment the same sort of training for everyone?

Because people who don't care about training will always find a way to get their hands on them and injure or kill with them.

The reason why the nazis in germany could easily round up all the jews was because germany had outlawed private ownership of firearms. The german soldiers could easily barge into homes and take people away at gun point because they knew that no one was allowed to own a gun. This same sort of thing would happen or could happen if you force citizens to give up their rights.

your freedom-hating lie

Colorado -–(Ammoland.com)- My prayers, and the prayers of our staff and members, go out to the families of the victims and those wounded in this attack.

Living in Colorado, this attack strikes close to home for me. I was sad this morning, but now I’m angry.

I’m angry that the theater bans law-abiding citizens from arming themselves for self-defense.

I’m angry that this deranged lunatic murdered men, women and children in a senseless act of violence.

And I’m outraged that already, not even twelve hours after the shooting, the gun control vultures are circling the victims.

This morning, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg has taken to the airwaves to exploit the blood of innocents to advance his radical anti-gun agenda.

Never one to let a “crisis go to waste,” Bloomberg is demanding both President Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney publicly come out in favor of expanding gun control. While Colorado and the nation remain in a state of shock and grief, the Bloomberg political machine is callously exploiting this tragedy to churn out their anti-gun lies and rhetoric. ...

Just for whatever you think it's worth, I only know of one person with a concealed carry permit, and no other who leaves the house armed. Could be some I don't know about, but honestly, a gun is a fairly difficult item to drag around while having it both conceled and available.

And I join mine with the sentiments of the Founding Fathers, who were believers in the Social Compact and civil society, who would have thought you were chaos-loving nutballs

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The reason why the nazis in germany could easily round up all the jews was because germany had outlawed private ownership of firearms. The german soldiers could easily barge into homes and take people away at gun point because they knew that no one was allowed to own a gun. This same sort of thing would happen or could happen if you force citizens to give up their rights.

That's a common urban legend.
While there had always been some restrictions for getting and using firearms (I personally own an allowance from 1804 ), only in 1919 and 1920 we got very strict gun ownership restrictions. (re Treaty of Versailles).

That was renewed after WWII .... with the fiercest laws still in use until 1990 in the American sector of Berlin (owning knives = death penalty!).

In 1938, Jews, homosexuals, Socialists/Communists and criminals weren't allowed to own firearms - which was actually not only a re.writting of a 1928 law (where it said that everyone having a weapon had to be "a lawful citizen") but from that year with that law onwards, the Nazi-organisations were allowed to carry firearms without special permit.

You can and could have firearms, even during the Nazi period, if you got an allowance.