Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 12:17 pm
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Liberte! Fraternite! Egalite!

How do you plan to celebrate?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 01:06 pm
I plan to put another million Americans in jail.
Rockhead
 
  2  
Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 01:35 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
I think maybe we should eat some cheese.

or french fries...
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 01:39 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Well I just went to see the Olympic flame passing through. I'm off to Paris in a few days though.
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Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 01:48 pm
I had a jumbo free-trade coffee served to me by a Hindu before walking down the street to the corner store where a Jamaican kid sold me a spicy beef patty, authentic Jamaican patty, made in Canada. I didn't see any Frenchmen hanging around, though. Maybe i should go out and get some poutine.
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contrex
 
  3  
Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 05:37 pm
That reminds me of a variation of a stupid joke:

For sale: American rifles: never used; only dropped once (at Kasserine).
Rockhead
 
  1  
Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 07:12 pm
@contrex,
I don't think the french get to make surrender jokes at others expense yet, dude...
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 08:24 pm
@edgarblythe,
Laughing Laughing
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JTT
 
  1  
Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 08:29 pm
@Rockhead,
I don't know about that, Rocky. Y'all fled from Vietnam, Iraq, soon to be Afghanistan. Mustn't have done too good a job protecting the white house as it ended up a pile of ashes.

You've just been fed too much movie propaganda.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 10:29 pm
@JTT,
I've never been to Viet Nam, Iraq, or Afghanistan, asshat.

and my house is tan...

you must have been fed too much vitriol. or poutine.

I cannot even remember the last time I had extra cash that I went to see a movie. or rented one for the dvd player I don't have.

why don't you try ignoring me for a while?
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 10:54 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
why don't you try ignoring me for a while?


Why don't you try ignoring ignorance for a while?
Rockhead
 
  1  
Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 10:58 pm
@JTT,
you're right, of course. onto ignore you go...

bye bye.
JTT
 
  1  
Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2012 11:48 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
you're right, of course. onto ignore you go...

bye bye.


I'm not at all surprised by that move, Rockhead. See ya.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jul, 2012 10:51 am
@Lustig Andrei,
Let Them Eat Kale: Vegetarians And The French Revolution
July 14, 2012
by Jessica Stoller-Conrad - NPR

Saturday was Bastille Day, the French holiday commemorating a pivotal moment of the French Revolution: The storming of the Bastille prison. But in addition to remembering the revolutionaries with a spirited verse of "Do You Hear The People Sing?"* should we also celebrate with a plate of veggies?

The French Revolution storyline that lives in history books and popular culture involves the lower classes, driven by hunger and rising bread prices, fighting back against oppression from their 18th century rulers.

However, nearly lost to history were the middle and upper class opponents of the political system, some of whom were reported to have used vegetarianism — not the guillotine — to protest the monarchy.

Vegetarianism during the French Revolution is most often traced to the political writings of Jean-Jacques Rousseau. He was a philosopher who greatly influenced the revolutionaries, says Tristram Stuart, author of the book The Bloodless Revolution: A Cultural History of Vegetarianism: From 1600 to Modern Times.

Rousseau writes in Emile, his treatise on education:

"The indifference of children towards meat is one proof that the taste for meat is unnatural; their preference is for vegetable foods, such as milk, pastry, fruit, etc. Beware of changing this natural taste and making children flesh-eaters, if not for their health's sake, for the sake of their character."

Stuart takes it further. "When revolutionaries fought in the French Revolution, some of them got bound up in this idea that animals, too, were in need of liberation from oppression and from slavery," Stuart says, "and therefore, they built animal rights into their revolutionary ideology."

However, others are not so sure that the vegetarian lifestyle at the time was one of choice. Independent researcher and historical cookbook author Jim Chevalier says "writers write many things, and only sometimes live by them." He points to other references in the works of Rousseau's contemporaries that indicate he ate meat, or at least served it at his home.

Still, Stuart says many modern vegetarian convictions, including effects on land use, animal rights, and health were formed in the 17th and 18th centuries. "So we're [vegetarians] not anymore saying that we need to join a revolution to get rid of the aristocrats," he says. "We're talking more about international justice and whether or not rich countries are depriving poor countries by taking grain off the world market to feed their livestock."

Published and unpublished personal letters from the Marquis de Valady, an aristocrat-turned-revolutionary, are an important source of information about political vegetarianism at the time, says Stuart. Valady was a student of Rousseau's works and, recounts the benefits of vegetarianism, as well as the negative social reaction to his own choice of diet, Stuart says.

Salon's Laura Miller, who criticizes several aspects of Stuart's book, acknowledges Valady's vegetarianism and the negative reaction he received from prominent homeowners of the day when he demanded vegetables and fresh milk.

The reality is, vegetarians of the time were probably not trading recipes for the best spinach soufflé. "Their main message was abstinence from a particular kind of food, rather than indulging in and relishing the vegetable foods that were out there," Stuart says.

Also, fruits and vegetables were considered unhealthy at the time, compared to a hearty diet of meats, Stuart points out. However, when Vitamin C was discovered as a cure for and prevention of scurvy, it offered some validity to the vegetarian diet, Stuart says.

Of course, political vegetarianism did not begin or end with the French revolutionaries.

Vegetarians have been prominent political leaders, from Gandhi to Hitler (the latter's status being highly debatable.) So it wouldn't be too surprising that there could have been a few influential ones during the French Revolution, too.

*Though people do associate this anthem with the French Revolution, it's actually from a musical based on the novel Les Miserables, which takes place much later, culminating in the June Rebellion of 1832. Same sentiment, different time.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 10:17 am
From my observations in NYC during the months that the French flock here, they have some traits that are particularly annoying, in my opinion.

Many of the men (more than the women?), in my opinion, seem to affect an air of a gradiose bon vivant persona (perhaps, capped off with a sweater wrapped around their shoulders, loosely knotted in front). They might stand on the street corner, blocking pedestrians, as the group (never alone) decides in their language where they should be going.

Other foreign tourists might just walk more sedately, with their tour books in hand, wanting to almost remain invisible. Ah, but the French. They seem to want to be seen. Again, in my opinion, to show the world they know how to live life to the fullest. It is like seeing the beach scene from A Man and A Woman, without the music reaching a crescendo.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 11:28 am
@Foofie,
It doesn't take much to piss you off does it?
Foofie
 
  1  
Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 07:05 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

It doesn't take much to piss you off does it?


I just have a refined sense of who I like or dislike or for who I have no concern.

I do think the French collectively do not know their place in the world in the 21st century. No one is learning French anymore in NYC public schools, I believe. Their effete culture is passe, in my opinion.


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JTT
 
  1  
Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 07:17 pm
@Foofie,
Quote:
Ah, but the French. They seem to want to be seen.


But they aren't called the ugly French, Foof. Guess who has earned that appellation.

It's a bitch, ain't it? You can't open your mouth without being hypocritical.
Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 07:21 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Quote:
Ah, but the French. They seem to want to be seen.


But they aren't called the ugly French, Foof. Guess who has earned that appellation.

It's a bitch, ain't it? You can't open your mouth without being hypocritical.


Being a country with 300 million plus citizens, not everyone knows how to act correctly when travelling overseas.

You be a good young man, and not comment on my posts. Pretty please.
JTT
 
  0  
Reply Thu 19 Jul, 2012 08:03 pm
@Foofie,
You be a sensible human being, Foof, and I won't need to.
 

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