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What is the original artist and name of this oil painting of the Kennedy's

 
 
Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 02:01 am
This is what by i'm told to be a very rare oil painting of the Kennedy's sailing in Nantucket. I'm not sure who is the original artist, but there is some signatures on the back of the painting that I posted below. If anyone knows who might have painted this or what the actual painting name is,
some insight would greatly be appreciated.

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Green Witch
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 03:29 am
Is that an actual photo on the back or a newspaper/magazine clipping? Can you tell me everything you think is written on the back? It's hard to read. I think I see the name Victoria and a phone number.
Green Witch
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 04:06 am
@Green Witch,
correction "Victura" - post coffee and reading glasses.
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 05:20 am
Victura was the name of one of JFK's sailboats. Apparently the Victura was his favorite. He sometimes drew pictures of his boats. Any indication this might be one of his pieces? Where did you get the painting?

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Green Witch
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 05:36 am
Here's some nice information about JFK and the boat:
http://seersuckeredsailor.blogspot.com/2012/05/portrait-of-quintessential-prep-jfk.html
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 06:14 am
@Green Witch,
Wainnos are a single class boat unique to the Hyannis area. I could never figure out why a gaff rig unless they didnt really do any serious rcaing and were just futzing around at the yatch club,

Meaning no disrespect but, that painting isa on he primitive side, could it have been painted by one of the Kennedies?r if the photo of the painting was taken with film instead of digital?


Green Witch
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 06:34 am
@farmerman,
You know much more about boats than me and I agree it's too amateurish to be of value other than as artwork by someone in a famous family. That's why I asked about the image on the back. Is it there because someone clipped out a picture in newspaper and used it as inspiration or is it a Kennedy family photograph? It also could be a photo taken by Joe Public while standing nearby and snapping pictures of famous people. The handwritings of the Kennedy family are pretty well documented. If it looks like a family creation it could probably be determined by the handwriting on the back.
xxxchronixxx
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 02:42 pm
@Green Witch,
I grab some more information about it today and post... i really appreciate everyone's enthusiasm to figure out where this painted came from...
xxxchronixxx
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 03:13 pm
@xxxchronixxx,
Here is some more high quality pictures:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3019/p6230034.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3799/p6230033.jpg
http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/1999/p6230032.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8316/p6230031.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4121/p6230030j.jpg

let me know if you guys know anything more.... and again thank you for all the enthusiasm. I'm really excited to see if this picture is really painted by JFK.
Green Witch
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 03:44 pm
@xxxchronixxx,
I don't think this was painted by JFK if the dates 1961-62 are meant to indicate creation. I doubt he had time while being President to mess around with boat paintings, but it's possible it was made for him by another member of the family or just a fan.
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xxxchronixxx
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 04:09 pm
@farmerman,
the picture that i took that you see was taken by a digital camera.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 04:13 pm
@xxxchronixxx,
wow, its so much on the warm side that Id suggest a filter or adjust the color pallette(Most cameras let you do that)
Green Witch
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 04:52 pm
@farmerman,
I don't think the quality of the painting is really of issue here. It's all about who made it and who owned it.
xxxchronixx, Where did you get the painting? It helps to establish a chain of ownership to determine value. If you just bought it at a thrift shop it is much harder to find out if the painting has anything to do with the Kennedy family. It's just as possible that some young girl had a crush on JFK, cut a photo out of a newspaper and decided to paint his favorite boat.
xxxchronixxx
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 06:02 pm
@Green Witch,
I'm told the painting has a lot of value so i'm skeptical that could be from just amateur painter but I will still try to see where the painting originated from... and post later today... thanks for all you help again.
Green Witch
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 06:07 pm
@xxxchronixxx,
Who is telling you it is valuable? What do they know that you don't? The fact that it is painted on a Blue Boy canvas board instead of a stretched canvas indicates it is probably by someone who is not a professional painter.
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xxxchronixxx
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 06:11 pm
@xxxchronixxx,
So I found out where the painting came from but unfortunately the painting was bought from a thrift store, pictures were sent to someone in San Francisco and hr instantly made a offer for $5000 asap. So where do I go from here or who would I contact in order to get it validated as the "real deal"? Please and insight into this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again
Green Witch
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 06:23 pm
@xxxchronixxx,
You could get it appraised at an auction house like Christie's or Sotheby (Google them). You should start by getting clear pictures (no glare) of the back and the painting. You could also email pictures to the JFK Presidential Library http://www.jfklibrary.org/ and ask them how to go about authenticating the handwriting.
xxxchronixxx
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 06:35 pm
@Green Witch,
Thank you so much. I'll start doing some research and get back to you on how it goes. Do you know if there is a fee to have it appraised, and do you think that I should have it appraised first or talk to you JFK library first, and if it matters which comes first.
Green Witch
 
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Reply Sun 1 Jul, 2012 06:54 pm
@xxxchronixxx,
You might want to start by sending pictures to the library and see what they say. They can probably put you in touch with the right people to at least identify the handwriting, if possible. If they have good things to report you can send pictures to both auction houses and see what the response is. If they think the work is valuable they may do a free market appraisal (what they think a collector will pay) because they will hope you might sell the piece through them. Normally places do charge appraisal fees, but they can vary greatly depending on what type of work is being appraised. Please do let us know the outcome. Good luck.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 2 Jul, 2012 03:09 am
@farmerman,
The rig is probably a survival from a much earlier period. Gaff rigs were preferable to large triangular sails in an era in which even battens would not prevent a sail from tearing under stress. The huge triangular sails of racing yachts are only possible today because of special fabrics which have only been avaiable for less than half a century.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/The_Yacht_%27America%27_Winning_the_International_Race_Fitz_Hugh_Lane_1851.jpeg/800px-The_Yacht_%27America%27_Winning_the_International_Race_Fitz_Hugh_Lane_1851.jpeg

The image above is of America, the racing yacht which won Prince Albert's cup in 1851, and for which the America's Cup has been named. Note that it uses a gaff sail with a drabbler above that sail, and a gaff foresail rather than any large jib. You can also see this in the racing yacht in the background. Sails which were not quadrangular simply could not stand heavy stresses in the days when sails were made of linen canvas or cotton canvas.
 

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