I do not believe gods exist…but I do not believe there are no gods.

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What definition did I change.

You didn't change any...and I didn't say you changed any.

I said you wanted to change them...

and if you read your own writing, you will see you wanted in several cases to change the word god to gods.

C'mon, give this up, Art. You will never make me an atheist...no matter how much you want me to be one of you.

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Your definition, but you can be an agnostic by the proper definition and by a false definition.

My "definition" was of my personal agnosticism. I assure you...it is my personal agnosticism. And it is well within the definition most agnostics use.

I wanted to show that the weak atheist position coincides with what I was saying from an agnostic perspective. Weak atheists assert that all they are doing is to indicate an absence of belief that there are gods.

I indicate that also.

I then go on to indicate that for me, there also is an absence of belief that there are no gods.

No irony, except in your mind.

Some weak atheists indicate the same for them; some do not.

Trying to make something of that in favor of your argument is silly.

Ahhh…in another thread, Thomas, wrote: “If atheists are in fact right and there exist no gods…”

So, at least this one atheist is of the opinion that atheists assert that there exist no gods.

That certainly does not mean all do, but it does mean some do…and considering the wording, I suspect Thomas thinks MOST do.



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So I both believe there are no gods and also have no knowledge of any gods existing.

Postive (strong) agnostic-atheist.

Soon as I get some evidence that supports the existence to be true then I will have to re-evalutate my position as an atheist, and perhaps even my gnosticism.

Maybe when I die Ill become an gnostic theist? Wouldn't that just be funny? I think so, but I highly doubt it will happen.

Learn to communicate, Frank. You're terrible at it.

So frank. If someone asks you one question and only one question.

Do you believe a god exists.

yes or no?

You wouldn't be able to answer, you would have to go into your double negatives and non-positive assertion routine?

So you wouldn't be able to say yes or no to that one question?

So frank. If someone asks you one question and only one question.

Do you believe a god exists.

yes or no?

I would say "no."

Ahh well this makes you an atheist then. The question doesn't imply or request any additional information. It can determine what you are with this simple yes or no choice. Yes means you are a theist, no means you are an atheist.

The world, Krumple, is not divided into theists and atheists only.

There are some people who simply say they do not know...

and are not willing to think, suppose, or believe in either direction.

I am not an atheist; I am an agnostic. I also am not an agnostic atheist...I am just an agnostic.

And the way I answer that question does not change things at all.

Yo Krumple...lemme mention something that might change your mind about all this.

Krum...I AM NOT AN ATHEIST. I also am not an agnostic atheist.

I am an agnostic.

If you insist your count is four...then I gotta tell you the real number is at least five...and more than likely, it is more.

But I admire your tenacity. Keep at it, man. I am right here for you so that you do not have to stop.

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Learn to communicate, Frank. You're terrible at it.

Actually, I am very good at it, Art.

I do it well enough to have had an op ed sized piece in the New York Times...and a full page MY TURN in Newsweek Magazine.

And as for small snippets...when the debate between Quayle and Bentsen took place, Newsweek and Time magazines each received over 800 letters on the event...and I got a letter on the debate published in both.

I do real well 'splaining things, Art.

But I understand at this point in the discussion, folks like you and Krumple will start with harsher and harsher digs...and probably get to the point of actual insults and name-calling.

Hey, if it makes you guys feel better, go for it.

I have skin thicker than steel.

I'm not going to return fire, but don't think that means I do not love ya both, because I do. You are making my day.

Consider thinking about all the Op Eds you've read and thought: "What a dumb ****."

If someone asks you one question and only one question.

Do you believe a god exists.

yes or no?

PS...about this last post, Art. You gotta be able to do better than this! C'mon!

Frank is correct in his use of the term agnostic. Not sure why the classic definitions are causing such angst for folks.

Other definitions are like the ones I submitted from reputable dictionaries that require more.

I appreciate your comments very much.