BBB is disappointed at President Obama's actions re Afghanistan agreement

Reply Thu 3 May, 2012 09:33 am
It seems that the U.S. didn't learn much from the Vietnam War. The Republicans always want to go to war. The Democrats always think they can change tribal countries to get along.

I was so disappointed that President Obama signed the agreement that will require U.S. military to continue there until 2024, trying to nation create a better life for the Afghanistan people. It won't happen. The Afghan tribes have been fighting each other since the 7th century. The same with Pakistan. The tribes fight over religion, power, and land. That will not change.

Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai is a tribal leader pretending to attempt to unify a number of tribes, but without success. Karzai and his agents are corrupt, stealing the money provided by the U.S. and that of the people. They are rich while most of the people are poor. Their women are badly treated as they have done for centuries.

Karzai wanted this additional time agreement to keep the U.S. money coming to him and his cronies. I though Obama was too smart to fall for that con.

Remember Vietnam, Obama? Don't do it again! Please, please wise up!!!

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Lustig Andrei
Reply Thu 3 May, 2012 09:35 am
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Reply Thu 3 May, 2012 09:57 am
Unocal connection. Is it true? BBB

There's been much debate over Karzai's alleged consultant work with Unocal (Union Oil Company of California since acquired by Chevron in 2005). In 2002, when Karzai became the subject of heavy media coverage as one of the front runners to lead Afghanistan, it was reported that he was a former consultant for them. Spokesmen for both Unocal and Karzai have denied any such relationship, although Unocal could not speak for all companies involved in the consortium.

The original claim that Karzai worked for Unocal originates from a 6 December 2001 issue of the French newspaper Le Monde, Barry Lane UNOCAL's manager for public relations states that, "He was never a consultant, never an employee. We've exhaustively searched through all our records." Lane however did say that Zalmay Khalilzad, the former United States Ambassador to the United Nations, was a Unocal consultant in the mid-1990s.

Ilene R. Prusher, Scott Baldauf, and Edward Girardet (10 June 2002 edition). "Afghan power brokers". The Christian Science Monitor. Archived from the original on 29 June 2007. Retrieved 11 December 2007. "...Karzai is a former employee of US oil company Unocal ... bidding for the lucrative contract to build an oil pipeline from Uzbekistan through Afghanistan"

Marc Erikson (2009). "Mr Karzai goes to Washington". Asia Times Online. Retrieved 12 September 2009. "And one further thing both men have in common is that in 1996/97 they advised American oil company Unocal on the US$2 billion project of a Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan pipeline."

Tom Turnipseed (10 January 2002). "A Creeping Collapse in Credibility at the White House:". counterpunch. Retrieved 11 December 2007. "As reported in Le Monde, the new Afghan government's head, Hamid Karzai, formerly served as a UNOCAL consultant"

"Hamid Karzai". globalsecurity. 2007. Retrieved 11 December 2007. "The claim appears to have originated in the 9 December 2001 issue of the French newspaper Le Monde. Some have suggested that Karzai was confused with U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad."

Jared Israel interviewing Barry Lane (9 July 2002). "Emperor's clothes interviews Unocal Oil". Emperor's Clothes. Retrieved 12 September 2009. "Jared Israel: The other thing that is being asserted everywhere is that Hamid Karzai, the current head of the Afghan 'government' once worked for you.

Barry Lane: Yeah. Yeah, well that's probably one of the great urban legends. He never worked for us.

Jared Israel: He didn't work for somebody else who worked for you?

Barry Lane: No. No, not him. He was never a consultant, never an employee. We've exhaustively searched through all our records to try and find out where the hell that came from."

"Misinformation". USA.gov. United States Department of State. 2009. Retrieved 12 September 2009. "all the company's records made it clear that Mr. Karzai was "never a consultant, never an employee" of Unocal."
Reply Thu 3 May, 2012 10:01 am
Tribal Analysis Center Pashtun Tribal Analysis"The Durrani Popalzai tribe's Khan Khel, the Saddozai, failed to advance a competent family for leadership during the anti-Soviet period. Instead, they placed tribal leadership in the hands of Abdul Ahad Karzai, a member of a key family in the Shamizai subtribe.

Following Abdul Ahad's assassination in 1999, his son, Hamid Karzai, inherited his father's mantle and can be expected to retain this tribal leadership position for the remainder of Afghanistan's conflict. Normally, the eldest son would have been selected to bear this tribal responsibility, but this son was living in the United States and was generally unavailable to serve as tribal leader."
Reply Thu 3 May, 2012 12:05 pm
Blame the military too. If they, The officers dont have a war going on they dont get advancements. Granted Obama isent doing as he said but what president in the last 40 years has kept his word on ending wars that the military wanted.
Finn dAbuzz
Reply Fri 4 May, 2012 02:09 pm
I love the Liberal perspective on Obama policies with which they fundamentally disagree:

Yeah it sucks but all Presidents are ineffective/liars/scalawags/political animals.

Since you've given up on Hope and Change, I guess it boils down to:

He's an asshole, but at least he's our asshole.
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