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Should there be a cat leash law?

 
 
Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2012 03:40 pm
I learned long ago that people only care about the environment if it doesn't effect their long held routines, so I'm not going to go typing on and on, but if anyone is interested they can read this from The American Bird Conservancy about why cats are a problem, and not just for birds:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:tJbDU0u28Q4J:wildbirdfund.com/wp-content/uploads/predation.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShmBftoYOu0rx3vTzgaUe7YIiOCR89QscxFLUb7xnlIuCx-xN5xVKpukAI4BJl-67RsfA1ptO_0hBTJy0hjs_QQk0u_9GhTMVoFziRTIJ90w7eCDF9z6KAvJuWkb_QgV4M15KKV&sig=AHIEtbRy4cSBRNV8YeMXba2MS_Lu8RE8mg

(eeekkk! I really have to learn to do named link.)
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2012 03:42 pm
@Rockhead,
I have Lulu a pill every day for several years.

I could get it done, start to finish, in about 4 seconds on a good day, 10 seconds when her consciousness was raised.

Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2012 03:45 pm
@chai2,
I would need a daily transfusion...
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thack45
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2012 03:52 pm
@Green Witch,
Your link is broken.

And it's [URL=website]desired link name[/URL] Mr. Green
Eva
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2012 04:01 pm
Concord must be a pretty sleepy little town if all they can come up with for Town Meeting issues is plastic water bottles and cats on leashes. <yawn>
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2012 04:58 pm
I have never had a cat but I see many of them roaming around the neighborhood until they fall prey to a coyote. They're all adorable
cute cats and it sickens me that their owners let them be outside by themselves.
One beautiful white Himalayan was caught in the middle of the night
in front of my house, the cat's screams were so heart wrenching and it
could have been prevented if only the owners were more responsible.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2012 05:56 pm
@CalamityJane,
Out here on the Big Island we have whole herds of feral cats that have no 'owners'. (Btw, cats don't have owners. Dogs have owners. Cats have staff. Smile) Many of them had people at one time but were simply abandoned when the people moved back to their regular homes on the mainland. Many others have been born in the wild. These ferals do help to keep the rat and mouse population down. They don't do much harm other than killing the occasional songbird that was too weak and/or sick to fly off. Healthy birds ignore them until they get dangerously close. Then the birds fly off, laughing their heads off. But, of course, we have no coyotes or other predatory animals on the island. Outside of hunger, the only predator that might be of concern to the wild cats could be the feral pigs. These, too, are offspring of pigs that were originally domesticated, rather than a wild breed. Farms ceased functioning and, in many cases, the livestock was simply let loose into the rainforest. So pigs are plentiful and it's pretty much open season on them for hunters. There are also small herds of wild cattle, similarly offspring of domesticated cattle. A season on them is declared whenever they seem to have reached a crritical population point.

I've seen feral cats become quite tame after a while if you put food out for them every night. They still won't let you touch them, but they won't run off if they see a human.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2012 06:09 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
I strongly recommend reading Eleanor Clark's Rome and a Villa book. Her chapter on cats is priceless. Not bothering to link, I've done that a lot on a2k before.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2012 06:11 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Un huh. I once saw Nermal stalk a flock of feral pigeons. It was pretty cool. Then he made a magnificant flying leap right into the middle of the flock. They flew away.

If there's a bug crawling across the floor, he can be coaxed into reaching out a paw and nudging it along.

I have heard of Siamese cats being trained to a leash. Siamese are related to cats as chihuahua are related to dogs. The relationship is tenuous.
dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2012 07:07 pm
@roger,
My woollies do leashes. They're not Siamese.

I don't like the comparison of Siamese to the chihuahua, by the way. I am very close to being provoked.
Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2012 08:15 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:

These ferals do help to keep the rat and mouse population down. They don't do much harm other than killing the occasional songbird that was too weak and/or sick to fly off.


Some experts do not agree:
Quote:
Reducing Feral Cat Threats to Native (Hawaiian) Wildlife

Project Leader: Dr. Steven Hess , USGS Wildlife Biologist
HCSU Staff: not available

Increasing evidence indicates that free-ranging domestic cats and feral cats have major impacts on a variety of wildlife species. Feral cats are notorious predators of birds and have contributed to the decline and extinction of some Hawaiian species. Cats are especially damaging to island species and other small, isolated populations. Because animal communities in Hawaii evolved without small, ground-dwelling mammals, native ecosystems and species have not developed defenses against cats. These feral animals also transmit diseases to humans, livestock, pets, and to native wildlife. The objective of this project is to develop humane and effective ways to control cat populations in remote natural areas in Hawaii , where cats continue to have devastating impacts on vulnerable native species.

For more information, see USGS Fact Sheet 2006-3006 available at: http://biology.usgs.gov/pierc/Fact_Sheets/Feral_cats.pdf PDF Document
Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2012 08:17 pm
@thack45,
Thanks. I'll have to work on it.

I had to go to a different source to make it work:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/roaming-cats-kill-billion-birds-year-american-bird/story?id=13194701
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2012 08:19 pm
@Green Witch,
Thanx, Green Witch. I didn't know that.
Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 25 Apr, 2012 08:22 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
I don't mean to be a harpy about it (even though I know I am doing just that), but I think it's an important issue and one partially solved by cats being kept inside. I know the feral problem is a whole different level of headache.
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saab
 
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Reply Thu 26 Apr, 2012 12:51 am
There are so many types of birdfeeder and not all are good.
The best one against cats are standing, and have something like an open umbrella below. That way the cat can never ever reach the birds.
Then again the bird feeder with a platform for the birds is not very good. They occasianally drop droppings(?) and spread illnesses amongst themselves.
Best bird feeder is one hanging and the birds sit on pins. No dropping amongs the food and not food for cats.

I know all about bird feeders simply because I don´t have one. Everybody else has one and we have so many bushes with berries all winter long which the birds like. I have the salad bar so to say.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 26 Apr, 2012 03:04 am
@Linkat,
Adlai Stevenson's Cat Bill Veto
STATE OF ILLINOIS
EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENT
SPRINGFIELD, April 23, 1949.

To the Honorable, the Members of the Senate of the Sixth-sixth General Assembly:

I herewith return, without my approval, Senate Bill No. 93, entitled, "An Act to Provide Protection to Insectivorous Birds by Restraining Cats." This is the so-called "Cat Bill." I veto and withhold my approval from this Bill for the following reasons:

It would impose fines on owners or keepers who permitted their cats to run at large off their premises. It would permit any person to capture or call upon the police to pick up and imprison cats at large. It would permit the use of traps. The bill would have statewide application -- on farms, in villages, and in metropolitan centers.

This legislation has been introduced in the past several sessions of the Legislature, and it has, over the years, been the source of much comment -- not all of which has been in a serious vein. It may be that the General Assembly has now seen fit to refer it to one who can view it with a fresh outlook. Whatever the reasons for passage at this session, I cannot believe there is a widespread public demand for this law or that it could, as a practical matter, be enforced.

Furthermore, I cannot agree that it should be the declared public policy of Illinois that a cat visiting a neighbor's yard or crossing the highway is a public nuisance. It is in the nature of cats to do a certain amount of unescorted roaming. Many live with their owners in apartments or other restricted premises, and I doubt if we want to make their every brief foray an opportunity for a small game hunt by zealous citizens -- with traps or otherwise. I am afraid this Bill could only create discord, recrimination and enmity. Also consider the owner's dilemma: To escort a cat abroad on a leash is against the nature of the cat, and to permit it to venture forth for exercise unattended into a night of new dangers is against the nature of the owner. Moreover, cats perform useful service, particularly in rural areas, in combating rodents -- work they necessarily perform alone and without regard for property lines.

We are all interested in protecting certain varieties of birds. That cats destroy some birds, I well know, but I believe this legislation would further but little the worthy cause to with its proponents give such unselfish effort. The problem of cat versus bird is as old as time. If we attempt to resolve it by legislation why knows but what we may be called upon to take sides as well in the age old problems of dog versus cat, bird versus bird, or even bird versus worm. In my opinion, the State of Illinois and its local governing bodies already have enough to do without trying to control feline delinquency.
For these reasons, and not because I love birds the less or cats the more, I veto and withhold my approval from Senate Bill No. 93.

Respectfully,
ADLAI E. STEVENSON, Governor

Veto Messages of Adlai E. Stevenson, Governor of Illinois, on Senate and House Bills Passed by the 66th General Assembly of Illinois. Springfield: State of Illinois, 1949.

http://www.mrgunnar.net/ap.cfm?subpage=348265


Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 26 Apr, 2012 03:05 am
@Linkat,
A Newsweek article written my me:

Cat Leash Law…MY TURN, Newsweek Magazine, by Frank Apisa


http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/1994/02/20/letting-the-cat-out-of-the-bag.html

sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 26 Apr, 2012 06:03 am
@Frank Apisa,
If you had just linked to it I would've said "hey, did you write that?" Very you!

(Congrats though.)

The article makes cogent points about enforcement.

(I see elements of both pro and con in general, though seem to be slightly more towards leashes/ keeping cats indoors.)

Frank Apisa wrote:
But the "nuisance prohibition" provides for just that. And if I were too stupid to realize that a squirt or two with a garden hose would be 10 times more effective at handling an unwelcome cat than a constitutional amendment, I would avail myself of that remedy.


Laughing

What ended up happening with all of that? Did the leash law stand? If so, how has it worked out?
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 26 Apr, 2012 07:57 am
@Lustig Andrei,
Lustig Andrei wrote:
In the open, a cat needs the freedom to roam.

That is simply not true. A cat has no more need to roam than a dog or a horse or a pig.

Lustig Andrei wrote:
I have, from time to time, had several cats and several dogs. Comparing one species of animal to the other is like comparing automobiles to jet aircraft. Both have elemets in common, of course -- internal combustion engines, the capacity for human transport etc. But they sure ain't the same thing. The same is true in trying to compare cats to dogs as pets.

You misunderstand my point. We do not allow domesticated animals loose because they are a nuisance to others, they cause damage, and, most importantly, they can be controlled. We leash dogs, we fence horses, we place chickens in coops and pigs in pens. The method of restraining these domestic animals, therefore, is largely irrelevant. The fact that we, as a society, consider it important to restrain them is the crucial thing. In that respect, there's no logical reason to exempt cats from that restriction. It makes little difference whether cat owners decide to leash, pen, coop, enclose, or otherwise restrain their cats, so long as the cats end up being restrained. If a town enacts a law saying that cats must be leashed if they are outside, then the cat owner has two options: either leash the cat or else keep the cat confined indoors. If the cat owner refuses to leash the cat, then the owner's remaining option is clear.
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roger
 
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Reply Thu 26 Apr, 2012 07:57 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:

I don't like the comparison of Siamese to the chihuahua, by the way. I am very close to being provoked.


How one could have made such a comparison without considering da bunny I will never know.
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