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Why does the Universe exist?

 
 
neologist
 
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Fri 2 Jan, 2015 05:43 pm
OP wrote:
Why does the Universe exist?
To hold all the bloviations of our beloved congress.
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nunezp001
 
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Sun 4 Jan, 2015 05:06 pm
@dalehileman,
These questions do have meaning, srry i mean't to say it's just pointless to ask. What you said is true though, "an avenue seldom explored and needing attention". This topic does need attention but only because humans are curious beings that long for answers. The meaning of these questions, i believe, is to satisfy curiosity, but without a definitive answer there can never be fulfillment.

I'm already content with being oblivious; most people should and will forget the questions of life anyway because of our short attention spans
FBM
 
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Sun 4 Jan, 2015 08:37 pm
May as well recycle this here:

FBM wrote:

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Teleological Fallacy
A teleological argument is one in which the principal cause of something is its purpose or reason (from the Greek telos 'end' or 'purpose'). ...
But teleological arguments are rarely encountered today, being virtually confined to creationist or intelligent-design groups that deny evolutionary
theory .5


http://www.gsbe.co.uk/appendix-iv-fallacies.html#app iv: teleological

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Science without Purpose: Suppressing the Teleological Instinct
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Submitted by Max86 on Wed, 02/25/2009 - 8:51am Biology 202 Web Paper
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There is a striking tendency among scientists to call attention to their humility. That is, they acknowledge their endeavor as fundamentally humble: the scope of their research is focused, their prose wholly transparent. Confronted with such statements, one might ask: Why is humility integral to science? The answer is that science recognizes the imperative of every Why? as the supreme human conceit, and much abashed, it is always paradoxically seeking to limit the very indulgence it imperatively hinges upon. In other words, science is embarrassed by the insolence of all imperatives, for it duly comprehends the artificiality of must and should in every observation of nature.

The scientist is embarrassed (not disdainful) because he recognizes the insolence of imperative queries as the inescapable human propensity for the teleological, which is the instinctual ascription of purpose to all things. He sees that every Why? betrays itself as a leading question, a collusion between an interrogative and the imperative modal of which that interrogative ought to be ignorant. These two grammatical agents seek to pass themselves off as components in the following operation:

(Why? + Insight = Must!) Law of Natural Imperatives

However, the scientist apprehends a different scheme:

(Why? + Must! = Why Must!? = Purpose) Teleological Fallacy

The scientist recognizes the desperation evinced in the violent convergence of punctuation -(!?)- seen above, and he is ashamed for his human complicity in it. Therefore, he still asks Why?, but only in so far as he must. The Why? of Science is therefore a continually suppressed impetus for the disciplined observations and humble claims the scientist makes. As in all human ventures, Why? drives science. However the scientific Why? operates not as a present component, but as an experienced absence; the scientist experiences Why? but will not attempt to manifest it.

It takes great fortitude to suppress the teleological tendency, and in their humility, scientists may forget the extent to which other humans indulge. After all, scientists are currently the world's great ascetics; they practice a conceptual-discipline of immense proportions. They are, figuratively speaking, the best adapted to solitude, for they are not making friends (or enemies) of nature. In other words, by resisting the ascription of purpose, they resist the concomitant attribution of agency to things incapable of it. Why? is the loneliest question.
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http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/3916
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FBM
 
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Sun 4 Jan, 2015 11:36 pm
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141106-why-does-anything-exist-at-all?ocid=fbert

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Particles from empty space
First we have to take a look at the realm of quantum mechanics. This is the branch of physics that deals with very small things: atoms and even tinier particles. It is an immensely successful theory, and it underpins most modern electronic gadgets.

Quantum mechanics tells us that there is no such thing as empty space. Even the most perfect vacuum is actually filled by a roiling cloud of particles and antiparticles, which flare into existence and almost instantaneously fade back into nothingness.

These so-called virtual particles don't last long enough to be observed directly, but we know they exist by their effects.

Space-time, from no space and no time
From tiny things like atoms, to really big things like galaxies. Our best theory for describing such large-scale structures is general relativity, Albert Einstein's crowning achievement, which sets out how space, time and gravity work.
Relativity is very different from quantum mechanics, and so far nobody has been able to combine the two seamlessly. However, some theorists have been able to bring the two theories to bear on particular problems by using carefully chosen approximations. For instance, this approach was used by Stephen Hawking at the University of Cambridge to describe black holes.
In quantum physics, if something is not forbidden, it necessarily happens
One thing they have found is that, when quantum theory is applied to space at the smallest possible scale, space itself becomes unstable. Rather than remaining perfectly smooth and continuous, space and time destabilize, churning and frothing into a foam of space-time bubbles.

In other words, little bubbles of space and time can form spontaneously. "If space and time are quantized, they can fluctuate," says Lawrence Krauss at Arizona State University in Tempe. "So you can create virtual space-times just as you can create virtual particles."

What's more, if it's possible for these bubbles to form, you can guarantee that they will. "In quantum physics, if something is not forbidden, it necessarily happens with some non-zero probability," says Alexander Vilenkin of Tufts University in Boston, Massachusetts.

A universe from a bubble
So it's not just particles and antiparticles that can snap in and out of nothingness: bubbles of space-time can do the same. Still, it seems like a big leap from an infinitesimal space-time bubble to a massive universe that hosts 100 billion galaxies. Surely, even if a bubble formed, it would be doomed to disappear again in the blink of an eye?

If all the galaxies are flying apart, they must once have been close together
Actually, it is possible for the bubble to survive. But for that we need another trick: cosmic inflation.

Most physicists now think that the universe began with the Big Bang. At first all the matter and energy in the universe was crammed together in one unimaginably small dot, and this exploded. This follows from the discovery, in the early 20th century, that the universe is expanding. If all the galaxies are flying apart, they must once have been close together.
Inflation theory proposes that in the immediate aftermath of the Big Bang, the universe expanded much faster than it did later. This seemingly outlandish notion was put forward in the 1980s by Alan Guth at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and refined by Andrei Linde, now at Stanford University.

As weird as it seems, inflation fits the facts
The idea is that, a fraction of a second after the Big Bang, the quantum-sized bubble of space expanded stupendously fast. In an incredibly brief moment, it went from being smaller than the nucleus of an atom to the size of a grain of sand. When the expansion finally slowed, the force field that had powered it was transformed into the matter and energy that fill the universe today. Guth calls inflation "the ultimate free lunch".
As weird as it seems, inflation fits the facts rather well. In particular, it neatly explains why the cosmic microwave background, the faint remnant of radiation left over from the Big Bang, is almost perfectly uniform across the sky. If the universe had not expanded so rapidly, we would expect the radiation to be patchier than it is.
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HesDeltanCaptain
 
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Mon 10 Aug, 2015 08:10 am
@TuringEquivalent,
The question's actually, "why did the Big Bang happen?" As-is, the universe exists because the Big Bang happened.

Why the Big Bang occured is The Question. And unfortunately it's unanswerable. And more complicated than anything about a god. Our knowledge of the universe is limited by our perception of the universe. We can't observe beyond the distance light's travelled in 13.4 billion years (or 13.4 billion light-years) and consequently will only ever have at best a fractional understanding of the actual area of the universe (about 93 billion light-years due to Inflation.)

And since we can't see further than the universe has existed (13.4 of 93 billion light-years) we can't of course see what may have existed before the Big Bang.

The writer of the tv series "Babylon 5" made mention through one of the main characters (Delynn) that we are the universe made alive so as to be able to understand itself. I think that's one of the better ways of thinking about things. The universe was created, but stars and planets weren't alive and sentient, so the universe made living things capable of figuring itself out.
dalehileman
 
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Mon 10 Aug, 2015 09:26 am
@nunezp001,
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These questions do have meaning,.....What you said is true though,.....
Thanks Nun; you and I are on the right track
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dalehileman
 
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Mon 10 Aug, 2015 09:29 am
@HesDeltanCaptain,
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Why the Big Bang occured is The Question
'Cause it had to, Hes. At the final instant of each Big Crunch when its mass becomes infinite and its diameter zero, it's also critically unstable
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Tue 11 Aug, 2015 06:43 pm
To sustain the Quinneys. Why else?
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Leadfoot
 
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Tue 11 Aug, 2015 09:22 pm
@zDamien,
Best evidence is that we have not had the infinite time your 'anything' requires. We have only had about 13.8 billion years so far. That's less than an eye blink by comparison.
Aliesending
 
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Tue 11 Aug, 2015 09:31 pm
@Leadfoot,
The closer you go to the center of the "big bang" the less and less time will cease to exist and ll that may remain is conscious thought. The speed of light is NOT a Barrier, it is the edge of what your DNA is able to show you!!! your body literally, phsyically, really really, allows you to BE in the world you life in, it's not accurate to say it creates the reality, it is apart of a co-created reality that it is joined into and able to change that reality, but your reality is NOT what you see it ass, the speed of light 186,000mps is no barrier, it is the edge of what you can see with your limited dna, you will soon find ways to speed up light, with your THOUGHTS. we cannot stress this enough. the universe is MADE of consciousness.
Leadfoot
 
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Tue 11 Aug, 2015 09:31 pm
@dalehileman,
Where is your evidence for a 'Big Crunch'? All the evidence points to endless expansion and maximum entropy.

The 'Crunch' is dead along side of the steady state universe theory that died before it.
Leadfoot
 
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Tue 11 Aug, 2015 09:36 pm
@Aliesending,
Sure, I am God, we are God, we created the universe and all that jazz.
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dalehileman
 
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Wed 12 Aug, 2015 10:46 am
@Leadfoot,
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Where is your evidence for a 'Big Crunch'?
Total absence of paradox/contradiction

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All the evidence points to endless expansion and maximum entropy
Right now, that is
Leadfoot
 
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Wed 12 Aug, 2015 01:33 pm
@dalehileman,
Your certainty about those things is starting to sound a lot like Faith. Or desperation.
dalehileman
 
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Wed 12 Aug, 2015 01:51 pm
@Leadfoot,
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...like Faith. Or desperation
Of course Foot, I suppose it pure logic
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Gladator
 
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Mon 14 Dec, 2015 08:09 pm
@TuringEquivalent,
The Universe exists because of God, God + nothing = Universe. God created the universe because he wanted us to experience life. God looked at the nothingness that existed outside of God, and realised the two options that he had. One option is for God to stay the way he is or option two, to attempt to create the universe as we know it. For me that is a an easy answer I would much rather the death, disease and genocides that exist then sheer nothing. The fact that we exist today defies the odds which makes it reasonable to believe that a God helped to push us along the way. You may look at the world as a glass of water, half full or half empty in either way, some water is better than no water.

Our particular Universe exists because God gave us free will thus we decided a huge part of how our Universe would turn out. Of Course God affected our Universe with certain interactions but he did not give us free will and then every time we made a mistake he uses his power to fix our mistake. Every decision we make has multiple possible outcomes, our Universe could be immensely different but with the decisions we make we help shape the Universe as we know it.
dalehileman
 
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Tue 15 Dec, 2015 11:28 am
@Gladator,
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God + nothing = Universe
Glad, the apodictical existential pantheist gladly agrees. However "nothing' of course means, as well as the absence of matter, no time nor space

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God looked at the nothingness that existed outside of God
However we can't agree with this assertion, Glad. It's fulla contradiction and paradox. If She created everything, She also created time. So how could She have been there before

But if She had existed forever, then why couldn't the Universe also have existed for all time; one reason we maintain She's probably It

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You may look at the world as a glass of water, half full or half empty in either way, some water is better than no water.
Us pantheists look at it somewhat differently. Because She can't do the impossible, we're stuck with tornadoes, volcanoes, disease, crime
mark noble
 
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Thu 28 Jan, 2016 09:53 am
@dalehileman,
I may have skipped a page or 9, but - It appears that we, each, have self-relevant opinions on, why this and that is.... this and that, but, ultimately - We're just guessing and allowing our own neural pathways to fill in the gaps.
My own ideals are awesome - But, are no more valid than yours, or anyone else's.
Whatever comforts you - Projects, ONLY, your need for comfort.
And, ONLY, the 'uncomfortable/uncomforted' extend to this premise.
dalehileman
 
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Thu 28 Jan, 2016 01:23 pm
@mark noble,
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My own ideals are awesome -
I'm sure that's so

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But, are no more valid than yours, or anyone else's
Well Mark at least I defend mine on the basis they entail no contradiction nor paradox, unlike many others'
mark noble
 
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Thu 28 Jan, 2016 01:27 pm
@dalehileman,
No Dale, you defend them because your reality is all you know.
Same as the rest of us, Dale.
 

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