Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

oralloy wrote:

But what evidence is there that he even kept following the kid?

I accept Zimmerman's own statement to be persuasive on that point.

Didn't you just state that you'd researched the case?

And yet you continue to be ignorant of key pieces of evidence.

#20 ...In court, Shelly Zimmerman testified that she didn’t know exactly how much was in the account, as the account was controlled by Zimmerman’s brother. She offered, in court, to get the brother on the phone. The persecutor declined the offer. No lie was ever made about how much was in the account. The perjury charges against her won’t stick.

#25 ...But, Zimmerman lied, and for this is being punished - in accordance with the law. Perhaps this portion of his story is the only portion that has legal merit. The fact that he is even being charged is, IMHO, entirely bogus.

#31 ...gee, so bail is punitive?

the judge decides the amount of bail based on a decision how much to punish the defendant and how to seize his assets

the defendant- who is presumed to be an innocent person (until proven guilty)

I always thought bail was set to ensure the public was protected from dangerous people being out on the streets (ie repeat or heinous offenders endangering the public) and to ensure a defendant would show up for trial

thanks for enlightening us

33 ...Good!
Every minute GZ was in jail was an affront to justice. The Obama/Sharpton Lynch Mob is out for this guy, and I hope like hell he beats them in court. Of course, with a prosecutor out to placate the screaming posers, who knows what will happen?

George's bloody head, broken nose and black eyes are all the proof needed that he was defending himself.

St. Skittles would still be free to sell pot and smack bus drivers around if he hadn't picked a fight with George.

#35 ...No. Zimmerman was an idiot - he lied under oath about his financial situation.

I don't think I can agree with that. If I were Zimmerman, I wouldn't have considered that my money, to do with as I pleased. I would view it as other people's money, who were volunteering to help pay my lawyer.

#37 ...What is wrong with starting the lawsuit process against them NOW? Drag Sharpton into court. Jackson, too. They’ve been out making speeches attacking him, a private citizen, and basically calling him guilty of murder.

Make ‘em pay or at least have to pay tons of lawyers to defend their bad behavior.

#46 ...How so? They divulged the PayPal account and who was in control of it. They even offered to bring said person in with the exact numbers since they did not know when they were asked.
To turn around later and accuse them of lying is the very definition of slimy politics and has ZERO to do with justice.

#59 ...You keep saying he deceived the courts, yet have not offered an actual quote. I want you to post specific quotes as to how Zimmerman mislead the court. Remember, phone calls to his wife are not under oath, and that he is not being charged with perjury.

This is what Shelly Zimmerman was asked in court, along with her answers:

Q. And you mentioned also, in terms of the ability of your husband to make a bond amount, that you all had no money, is that correct?
A. To my knowledge, that is correct.
Q: Were you aware of the website that Mr. Zimmerman or somebody on his behalf created?
A: I’m aware of that website.
Q: How much money is in that website right now? How much money as a result of that website was —
A: Currently, I do not know.
Q: Who would know that?
A: That would be my brother-in-law.
Q: And is he — I know he’s not in the same room as you, but is he available so we can speak to him, too, or the Court can inquire through the State or the Defense?
A: I’m sure that we could probably get him on the phone.
Q: Okay. So he’s not there now.
A: No, he is not, sir.
Q: Do you have any estimate as to how much money has already been obtained or collected?
A: I do not.

Source: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/06/13/zimmerman-prosecutions-selective-editing-misleading-the-court-shellie-perjury-charge-baseless/

Do you have proof of perjury?

There is actually an intelligent discussion (as opposed to this one) on this topic on FR :

Personally, I'm able to keep my two thoughts separate without conflating two ideas.

That doesn't seem to be a skill you've mastered.

Martins GF was on the phone with him at the time of the confrontation.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/20/10774247-trayvon-martins-final-phone-call-he-said-this-man-was-watching-him?lite

Her testimony doesn't match the account that you would have us believe. Instead, it indicates that Martin was scared and trying to get away from the guy who was following him.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Martins GF was on the phone with him at the time of the confrontation.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/20/10774247-trayvon-martins-final-phone-call-he-said-this-man-was-watching-him?lite

Her testimony doesn't match the account that you would have us believe. Instead, it indicates that Martin was scared and trying to get away from the guy who was following him.

Cycloptichorn

What account I would have you believe? I'm merely asking for evidence for the things you are claiming are facts.

the that the transcript at your link does not establish which one initiated the confrontation.

oralloy wrote:

But what evidence is there that he even kept following the kid?

You keep asking this oralloy but have you even bothered to look a map of where the shooting occurred compared to Zimmerman's phone call and his vehicle.

The shooting occurred in a place that would require Zimmerman to not be returning to his vehicle. Why was he continuing down a path that would have put him in a position where he couldn't meet the police at any street?

The only way Zimmerman could have been attacked at the place of the shooting was if he was continuing to follow Martin.

...So it is fair to ask, having charged perjury, what is the specific false statement made by Shellie Zimmerman?

The Criminal Information (embedded at the bottom of this post) does not say. Instead, the accompanying Affidvit recites testimony, phone call transcripts, and evidence of money received and transferred. Again, that all is relevant to whether George deceived the Court at the bond hearing.

But nowhere in the criminal Information or Affidavit of Probable Cause is a specific sentence or set of words identified as false with an explanation of why it was false....

There is actually an intelligent discussion (as opposed to this one) on this topic on FR :

mean, at some point I expect to read about this judge and prosecutor threatening the Zimmerman's dog and cat to try to force the guy to cop some sort of a plea.

Contradiction in terms - that site is not capable of hosting an intelligent discussion.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Contradiction in terms - that site is not capable of hosting an intelligent discussion.

Cycloptichorn

Just because they hold strong political views does not mean they cannot have an intelligent discussion.

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mean, at some point I expect to read about this judge and prosecutor threatening the Zimmerman's dog and cat to try to force the guy to cop some sort of a plea.

That the only way they can save face given the known facts are all pointing to him acting in self defense.

Very true. What prevents them for engaging in intelligent discussion is the lack of intelligence of the members of the site, not their political views. ...

oralloy wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Martins GF was on the phone with him at the time of the confrontation.

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/20/10774247-trayvon-martins-final-phone-call-he-said-this-man-was-watching-him?lite

Her testimony doesn't match the account that you would have us believe. Instead, it indicates that Martin was scared and trying to get away from the guy who was following him.

Cycloptichorn

What account I would have you believe? I'm merely asking for evidence for the things you are claiming are facts.

I think it's pretty clear that you are pushing a certain angle here - that Zimmerman is innocent of the killing of Martin.

oralloy wrote:

the that the transcript at your link does not establish which one initiated the confrontation.

It's testimony that shows that Martin was trying to escape Mr. Zimmerman - it's hard to believe that you would have to escape from someone who wasn't actively following you. Additionally, the GF's account does in fact state that Zimmerman came up to Martin and confronted him, and that Martin's phone got knocked out of his hand shortly afterward.

Zimmerman, on the other hand, has no witness to corroborate his account that he was not following the kid and didn't provoke a confrontation. He's already a confirmed liar in front of the judge; nothing he states should be considered to be credible.