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Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

 
 
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2012 07:03 am
Granted what we're talking about here is another US civil war and not a world war, but the analogy as far as what it would take to actually set it off is really with WW-I.

In 1914, an asshole got croaked along with his wife, and there were just enough of his fellow assholes who couldn't deal with it (Austrians at that time) to start a conflagration over it; that should sound sort of familiar to anybody following the Zimmerman/Martin case.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1184520/replies?c=47

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....Also missing from the facts is that Serbia was internationally recognised at the Congress of Berlin (1876) as an international nation with one exception. Austria would be the protectorate of Bosnia for 44 years. When it came time to return Bosnia to the Serbs, Austria and the archduke refused.

As though this was not insulting enough, the archduke went to Sarajevo on the most sacred holy holiday of the Serbian people, Vidovdan, the commemoration of the Battle of Kosovo when the Serbs lost 77,000 victims and the loss of their nation to Ottoman slavery for 412 years....
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1158044/posts

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... Germany did not mobilize until after Russia began to mobilize (which in turn was after Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia.....


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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2012 07:15 am
@DrewDad,
That's why they fired the police chief and not the DA, right?
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2012 05:04 pm
Quote:
George Zimmerman leaves Fla. jail on $1M bond
July 06, 2012
Associated Press

ORLANDO, Fla. – Former neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman was released from jail Friday for a second time while he awaits his second-degree murder trial for fatally shooting Trayvon Martin.

Zimmerman left the Seminole County Jail a day after Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester granted a $1 million bail with strict conditions. He wore a white shirt and dress jacket as he walked out and got into an SUV, ignoring shouted questions from nearby reporters.

The judge is requiring Zimmerman to stay in Seminole County. He was allowed to leave Florida after his first release in April. Now he must be electronically monitored, can't open a bank account, obtain a passport or set foot on the grounds of the local airport. He has a 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. curfew.

"He's very happy to be out," Don West, one of Zimmerman's attorneys, told reporters outside the jail. "Certainly it's been a sobering experience spending the last month in jail in that kind of environment."

Zimmerman had been released on a $150,000 bond in April in the shooting of the unarmed black teenager, but the judge revoked it last month after prosecutors presented evidence that he and his wife misled the court about how much money they had available to pay for the bond. They didn't tell the judge that donations from a website for Zimmerman's legal defense had raised around $135,000 at the time of his first bond hearing.

Prosecutors argued Zimmerman and his wife talked in code during recorded jailhouse conversations about how to transfer the donations to different bank accounts. For example, George Zimmerman at one point asked how much money they had. She replied "$155." Prosecutors allege that was code for $155,000. Their reference to "Peter Pan" was code for the PayPal system through which the donations were made, prosecutors said.

Shellie Zimmerman faces arraignment at the end of the month on a perjury charge; she is free on bond.

Zimmerman's attorneys said Thursday that there was $211,000 in an account, which included the amount raised from Zimmerman's website and also money generated from another website set up by his legal team. An additional $20,000 was raised in the day after Lester issued the $1 million bond order.

Zimmerman had to pay a bond company $100,000 but also needed $1 million in collateral to secure the bail, his legal team said.

West refused to comment on what was being used as collateral after Zimmerman left the jail.

"We worked that out," West said.

Zimmerman will stay in a "safe house" before relocating to a permanent home, and he has hired a security team, according to information posted on a website run by his legal team.

Shortly before Zimmerman's release, the Rev. Al Sharpton criticized Zimmerman for raising money through online donations. The civil rights leader and talk-show host was in New Orleans with Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton.

"Now we see where they're soliciting money, saying, 'If you would have done the same thing, send money to help with his bond,' showing no remorse over the loss of human life," Sharpton said.

Court documents show that Zimmerman's parents are using their house as security for the bond. But Zimmerman likely didn't put up $1 million worth of collateral because the amount can be negotiated with the bond company and the insurance company backing the bond, said David Engel, an Orlando-area bail bondsman.

"Do they have a $1 million worth of collateral? I'm sure they don't," Engel said. "There's nothing set in stone regarding what we have to take. It's up to us what we decide between us and the insurance companies."

During Zimmerman's second bond hearing, his attorney, Mark O'Mara, said that his client was confused and fearful and experienced a moment of weakness when he and his wife misled the court.

The judge didn't buy it and expressed his unhappiness with Zimmerman and his wife in his second bond order. He accused Zimmerman of making plans to flee to avoid prosecution, misleading O'Mara by not disclosing the money from the website and trying to manipulate the judicial system.

"Under any definition, the defendant has flaunted the system," Lester wrote.

But the judge said current law limited his ability to deny a second application for bond...

Read more at: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/06/george-zimmerman-leaves-fla-jail-on-1m-bond/#ixzz1zt1LUPy3
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2012 05:15 pm
To the Sea, to the Sea!

Kidding, kidding.
The melodrama builds.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2012 08:17 pm
@ossobuco,
Zimmerman is apparently out of jail:

http://www.680news.com/news/world/article/380260--george-zimmerman-leaves-fla-jail-a-day-after-judge-set-second-bond-at-1-million

Mike Nifong, the last previous prosecutor to attempt to try a "career ender" case:

https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTviVdUvv9egd_rK1KE4uc-Kvm0jG-OW0asSZElBJTVoYPQW85F
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 Jul, 2012 09:02 pm
@gungasnake,
I have not checked but it would surprise me not at all if Zimmerman was out. My belief is that freedom loving NRA members will make sure that money is no issue here....will make sure that the state does not get away with railroading this citizen as it so often do get away with. This is too high a profile a case, and to important to the constitutual right to bare arms to allow that.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 01:51 am
@hawkeye10,
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This is too high a profile a case, and to important to the constitutual right to bare arms to allow that.

The only thing about this case that isn't being questioned was Zimmerman's right to be carring a gun--he was carrying a gun lawfully. I don't see "the constitutual right to bare arms" as a factor in this case, because it's not really under threat.

NRA members and gun groups have been sending him money all along, because they support the "Stand Your Ground" laws--they want the broadest rights to use their guns in self defense, not to just carry them. Those kinds of laws were already controversial and this case just provoked more discussion about them.
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I have not checked but it would surprise me not at all if Zimmerman was out.

Don't you bother to read this thread at all? I posted the news article about his release on this page, which was followed by gungasnake posting a link to almost the exact same article, but on a different site (he apparently doen't bother to look at what other people post either).

Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 02:03 am
@firefly,
you're kidding, right?

these clowns don't care what others post. reading and comprehending the actual gist of a thread would get in the way of their agendas...
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 05:50 am
@hawkeye10,
The assholes know this case is a career ender for both the prosecutor and likely also for the judge. The idea was/is to have Zimmerman killed in their prison prior to trial or, failing that, by the local chapter of NBPP i.e. that has to be the idea of the requirements/limitations the judge demanded (stay in semihole county, flori-duh, 6-6 curfew etc. etc. etc. etc......)

real discussion:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2903542/posts?page=101
parados
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 07:15 am
@gungasnake,

Real discussion of unreal phobias.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 09:32 am
@parados,
Yes all the death threats directed even at people with similar names and so on are not real.

The state is also doing it best to drain the resources of Zimmerman to defend himself with the over large bail for example.

He is a flight risk comment pull out of the judge rear end..............
DrewDad
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 10:27 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
the constitutual right to bare arms to allow that.

Damn the government that tries to force sleeves upon me!
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Ceili
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 10:46 am
Does anyone find it funny that an old woman who was bullied managed to pull in over $650,000 for a vacation in less than a week, while Zimmerman's defense fund has only raised $200,000 and change?
It gives me hope for the American people...
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 11:02 am
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:

Does anyone find it funny that an old woman who was bullied managed to pull in over $650,000 for a vacation in less than a week, while Zimmerman's defense fund has only raised $200,000 and change?
It gives me hope for the American people...


You mean 200,000 clams plus the 1 million in collateral for his bond.....right? The legal team. will cost at least 1 million more, and they will be paid. It takes big bucks to keep from being railroaded by the state and Zimmerman knows that he will have what ever he needs.
parados
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 02:08 pm
@BillRM,
Hardly pulled out of the judge's rear end.
If the court orders that someone turn over their passport then they should do that. Zimmerman had a passport in a safety deposit box that he did not turn over nor did he inform the court of the passport. You are free to argue that doesn't mean he is a flight risk, however you are not free to argue that the judge pulled it out of his rear end.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 06:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
The school bus driver didn't have to contend with a nazi-style propaganda campaign. I don't see any indication of direct NRA involvement in the Zimmerman case, but the main place to donate is this:

http://www.gzdefensefund.com/

Most of the charities I donate to involve real victims of real persecution, and this fits the paradigm, i.e. I see a need for protecting the good people of the world from the Bork Obungas, the Eric Holders, the Sharptons, Jacksons, Nifongs, Omar Hassan al-Bashirs and Robert Mugabes of the world.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 06:08 pm
@gungasnake,
More impotant than this one guy is protecting Constitutional rights to carry a gun and to use it for self defense. The state arguing that carrying a gun legally (with the proper permits) into a situation where it might be used for self defense is depraved indifference to the life of the one who ends up dead after launching an assault. This argument can not be allowed to stand.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 06:26 pm
@hawkeye10,
It's even more serious than that. The question is, is the notion of equal rights before the law still alive or do we now live in a world in which members of special/protected demoKKKrat voting blocks cannot be touched even when one of them goes crazy on drugs and tries to kill us, that is, do we have a legal obligation to just sit there and be killed?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 07:36 pm
@gungasnake,
We crossed that line when we decided that women were no longer required to state their mind during a sexual encounter, when "I did not say anything because I thought I would be hurt if I said something" obsolves a woman of all responsibility. Once you give such free passes to any class injustice is sure to follow, and no I don't care that victims are the heros of the day. Todays victims are tommorrows abusers, as anyone who understands the victim/abuser dynamic knows .

No free passes must be the standard, being able to garner sympathy must never be allowed to run over equal rights in front of the law. But it sure has.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 7 Jul, 2012 08:17 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:

these clowns don't care what others post. reading and comprehending the actual gist of a thread would get in the way of their agendas...

This thread has become the watering hole for the lunatic fringe of A2K.
 

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