Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

I love the idea that if you get out of a car and then some hoodlum attacked you afterward it is not the hoodlum fault for attacking you it your fault for getting out of your car in the first place.

Not only is it your fault that the hoodlum attacked you but you need to then allow him to kill you as you had lost the right of self defense for daring to get out of your own car.

Similar to if a women walk down a street in tight clothes late at night it is not the rapist fault for raping her it is her fault for being on that street dress in the manner and if she shot the SOB to keep from being rape she would be guilty of murder.

After all she would not had been attacked but due to her poor judgment in walking down that street.

Maybe we need posters similar to it is never a woman fault for being rape stating it is never a victim fault for being attacked.

It is amazing the degree of double think that Firefly can do in that brain of hers.

No.

Responses like that are why you're so highly respected around here.

I gotta be me.





David

Your understanding is merely loqaded with spin. "You dont need to do that" shouldnt require a translator or a style coqch. Zimmerman was itching for a confrontation. Period

TIMELINE?? what part of Zimmermans call to the dispatch post dated Martins death? You mean Zimmerman shot MArtin and then made a call as if he were just finding out about a "Suspicious skittles eater?"

LOL Farmerman Zimmerman was looking to get the cops to check this kid out otherwise he would not had call 911 and would had approached the kid with his gun out and ready to used instead.

The only one guilty that night of a crime is the one that was killed.

I find it funny that you continue to insist that Martin was committing a crime for almost the exact same action that you insist exonerates Zimmerman.

You can't have it both ways BillRM. If Martin committed a crime then Zimmerman did as well.

Zimmerman didn't attack Martin. Following is not attacking. Do you always punch someone who is following you around a neighborhood you don't live in?

How do you know Zimmerman didn't make the first contact, whether by push, pull or punch?

If he was looking to get into a conflict with Trayvon he would had the gun out and ready and would not had ended up with Trayvon on top of him trying to pound his brains out of his head.

If he hadn't been looking for a confrontation, he would have called the police, told them of his location, and not pursued Trayvon.

Wrong and when my wife followed a hit and run driver long enough to get his license tag number she was not looking to get into a conflict with the driver either.

Sorry but Zimmerman was acting as a good citizen who have no reason to assume that he was following a hoodlum who would turn and attack him instead of someone perhaps looking to score some small robberies and was otherwise harmless.

By the way Snood when a gentleman, not a cop, drove up by me and ask me to ID myself as he had taken note that I had been wandering around in his neighborhood for the past few days was he looking for a conflict with me?

Did I then had a right to attacked him instead of IDing myself as a US Census worker?

Now here was a man who did not call 911 but confronted me directly.

Oh if I did attacked him had he lost the right of self defense because he approached me?

We know Zimmerman didn't punch him, or the medical report would have said there was damage to Zimmerman's hands. The only person with reports of damage to their hands is Martin. Instead the medical reports show damage to Zimmerman's head and face. Two black eye's, a broken nose and cuts on his head.

The more evidence I see the more I believe Zimmerman's telling of the events.

And you know this how? How do you know that Zimmerman didn't grab Martin first? The problem Baldimo is you are making an assertion that Zimmerman was defending himself without facts but not allowing the same assumption to be applied to Martin.

That's interesting. And where was this in the police report? Did they examine his hands? Are you sure that every attack always leaves marks on the attackers hands? What if he merely shoved Martin? What if he hit him with an open hand?

Zimmerman's injuries are not evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman first. It is only evidence that Martin was in an altercation of some kind. Would you accept a piece of ear as proof that Mike Tyson attacked Evander Holyfield without provocation?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

A poke to the chest, a shove, grabbing an arm... none of these would leave broken skin on Zimmerman's hands.

Zimmerman profiled an innocent kid, a guest of a resident in that gated community, who was returning home after a trip to the store. Whatever "good citizen" responsibilities, he had ended when he called 911 to report his suspicions to the police. He was advised by the dispatcher not to continue following this person.
But Zimmerman compounded his error in judgment about the kid by continuing to follow, and frighten, him and finally directly confronted him with a physical action of some sort--the last thing Martin was heard saying to Zimmerman, according to the friend he was speaking to on the phone, was. "Get off me, get off me". Zimmerman attacked or grabbed him in some way, and Martin reacted in self defense by hitting him.

Your repeated characterization of Martin as "a hoodlum" reveals your own racist thinking. He was a 17 year old kid who was trying to get back to the residence he was staying at, and also trying to take shelter from the rain. And the only reason Zimmerman found him "suspicious" was because he was black. And Zimmerman's previous calls to the police about "suspicious" characters also all involved black males. And Zimmerman didn't realize how young he was--he said that at his bond hearing.

Zimmerman was the one who who had previous run-ins with the law over his poorly controlled aggressive impulses. It was Zimmerman who had been court-ordered to take anger management classes. It was Zimmerman who was prescribed psychiatric medication--an amphetamine product ("speed")--for problems with ADD/hyperactivity/impulsivity.

Martin was simply a kid trying to get back home after a quick trip to a convenience store.

This wannabe cop, Zimmerman, was obsessed with not wanting this innocent kid to elude him, or the police, not because Martin had actually done anything wrong, but because of the fantasies in Zimmerman's mind about what he thought the kid was up to, and his obsession about "these punks always getting away", and Zimmerman's poor impulse control wouldn't allow him to wait for the police--this vigilante was determined to take matters into his own hands and follow and hold this kid for the police. That was the "depraved mind" that warranted the second degree murder charge. And so, because of his impaired judgment, Zimmerman provoked a deadly confrontation with this innocent kid, who tried to defend himself from this nut, and, without first defending himself with his fists, Zimmerman resorted to deadly force, and shot and killed the kid, allegedly in "self defense".

Zimmerman was, and is, a nut job who shouldn't have been carrying a gun because of his history of impulse control problems. Martin was an innocent kid, just coming back from a trip to the store, who suddenly found himself pursued, and then confronted, by this nut, and consequently reacted in self defense out of fear for his own life.

And you've yet to present any evidence that contradicts that version of the events.

Thank you, Firefly. Sincerely. I hadn't the strength to go through it yet again for these... people.