Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

@OmSigDAVID,

Basic reality is that England and France were in no shape to go back into the empire business in 1946.

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@gungasnake,

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I mean, I remember the scenes on television, all those Indians, Pakis, and Chinese people crying and wailing

You just love using racist language don't you?

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@izzythepush,

You're sitting there crying over the loss of your racist empire and calling me a racist??

Pakistani citizenship is now a "race"???? Do they teach logic or anything like that in English schools any more, or have they in the past 50 years or thereabouts?

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@gungasnake,

I'm not at all upset about the loss of empire, but you Americans seem to criticise us for its loss whilst at the same time being instrumental in the loss. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy

You are a racist, you use racist language and never miss an opportunity to name drop your heroes the KKK.

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@izzythepush,

Honest truth, Poop, I've never spent a minute of my life in Africa, but this is what I hear from those who have... They tell me that Germany is the only European nation which Africans halfway trust or feel halfway good about dealing with and that's because the German colonial office (back in colonial days) used to tell German farmers to treat native Africans the way they would their farm animals... i.e. the way an ordinary German farmer treats his farm animals is so GOOD compared to the way England and France ever treated colonial subjects that Germany now gets preferential treatment.

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@gungasnake,

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Basic reality is that England and France were in no shape to go back into the empire business in 1946.

The hypocrisy is stunning, unbelievable, overwhelming and for the most part, American.

How you can ever even raise this issue, Gunga when the US is, has been far and away the leader in a brutal imperialism for over a century.

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@JTT,

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Basic reality is that England and France were in no shape to go back into the empire business in 1946.

JTT wrote:

The hypocrisy is stunning, unbelievable, overwhelming and for the most part, American.

Which U r NOT.

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@OmSigDAVID,

I guess that your admission that the US and many Americans are hopelessly hypocritical reflects a measure of honesty, Om.

Good on ya, mate!

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Just hear a black woman commentator on MNBC now stating that we should not get too involved in one case that might be self defense as the laws need to be change as too many young black men are being kill.

Well I agree with her that far far too many young black males are being kill but not under the self defense laws but by other young black males and mainly in relationship to gangs/drugs violent.

Laws need to be change but they involved things like doing away with laws that fund such gangs such as our so call war on drugs not the right to defend yourself if attacked by anyone armed or unarmed black, white or green skin color.

In any case, the case is coming apart and those who had beat the drum against the self defense laws are trying to get off the Trayvon horse.

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Trayvon Martin Case: George Zimmerman Made Racist Remarks At Work (LISTEN)
The Huffington Post | By Danielle Cadet
05/18/2012

Within a collection of evidence officially released by the State Attorney's Office on Thursday, was an audio recording of a 15-minute interview with George Zimmerman's former co-worker. During the interview, the man, whose name was not given, says that Zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work, ThinkProgress.com reports.

According to the witness, Zimmerman singled him out because he was Middle Eastern, calling him a "******* moron" and mocking him with the voice of "Achmed the terrorist." He said Zimmerman would also tell stories and make jokes about "bombing" and other "Middle Eastern stuff."

Editor's Note: Some readers may find the language in this audio offensive.

LISTEN: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/18/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-evidence_n_1528268.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Chp-desktop%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D162348

Zimmerman has been charged with shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on the evening of Feb. 26 in a gated community in Sanford, Fla. Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer called 911 and told a police dispatcher that the teen, who was returning from a trip to a nearby convenience store, "looked suspicious." After an altercation, Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest, subsequently telling local police that he acted in self-defense.

In addition to the second-degree murder charge he's facing, Zimmerman could also face federal hate crime charges. If convicted of second-degree murder, Zimmerman could serve a maximum sentence of life in prison. However, if he is found guilty of a federal hate crime charge, he could face the death penalty.

The witness said that he never felt physically threatened by Zimmerman or had any violent interaction with him. He said that he complained to management about Zimmerman's behavior, and Zimmerman was eventually "fired for calling the HR hotline so many times."

Complaints about Zimmerman's behavior aren't new. In the past, his neighbors complained about his aggressive tactics as a neighborhood watchmen and public records show he was arrested in Orange County in 2005 on charges of resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer.

Since his arrest, Zimmerman has been released on bond. The case is expected to go to trial.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/18/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-evidence_n_1528268.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Chp-desktop%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D162348

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Just hear a black woman commentator on MNBC now stating that we should not get too involved in one case that might be self defense as the laws need to be change as too many young black men are being kill.

Well I agree with her that far far too many young black males are being kill but not under the self defense laws but by other young black males and mainly in relationship to gangs/drugs violent.

Laws need to be change but they involved things like doing away with laws that fund such gangs such as our so call war on drugs not the right to defend yourself if attacked by anyone armed or unarmed black, white or green skin color.

In any case, the case is coming apart and those who had beat the drum against the self defense laws are trying to get off the Trayvon horse.

Your points r well taken, Bill.

David

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@BillRM,

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Just hear a black woman commentator on MNBC now stating that we should not get too involved in one case that might be self defense as the laws need to be change as too many young black men are being kill.

Just one very minor and very simple change to our laws would fix that: make membership in the demoKKKrat party illegal. 95 Percent of the problems black people experience living in America would evaporate within two years.

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@JTT,

JTT wrote:

I guess that your admission that the US and many Americans are hopelessly hypocritical
reflects a measure of honesty, Om.

Good on ya, mate!

Firstly: I am NOT your mate.
Secondly: I did not say that, nor do I believe it.

At the moment, I can 't think of a reason to attribute hypocrisy
even to the leftists in America, much less the freedom-lovers.
On longer reflection, its possible that I might think of something,
but for now, it seems to me that we r all flying our own colors, for the most part.

If u have in mind the hypocrisy of Roosevelt
in regard to what he said concerning Pearl Harbor, I will not deny that.

David

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@firefly,

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Zimmerman's former co-worker. During the interview, the man, whose name was not given, says that Zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work, ThinkProgress.com reports.

Two simple words: BULL ****

An unnamed witness who swears on nothing in particular to tell the truth on the ******* radio and that's your case??????? I mean that's how the Spanish inquisition operated.

Every once in a while it becomes obvious that somebody is being paid to put out some sort of a line on one or more internet forums and the obvious light just went on here.

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSOV9UowYWx7HVkudQSIg2cuVRtALr0BGD_MnXsk53XHF4GaiX03w

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Firstly: I am NOT your mate.

You are when you are honest, Om, so admittedly you are rarely my "mate".

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Secondly: I did not say that, nor do I believe it.

That only illustrates just how true it is, Siggy. No sane individual can deny that the US is a major terrorist nation, a nation that has committed numerous war crimes. In fact, no Americans ever try to deny it with the exception of you, BillRM, and a few others whose sanity is truly suspect.

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@gungasnake,

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Zimmerman's former co-worker. During the interview, the man, whose name was not given, says that Zimmerman racially targeted him and bullied him at work, ThinkProgress.com reports.

gungasnake wrote:

Two simple words: BULL ****

An unnamed witness who swears on nothing in particular to tell the truth on the ******* radio and that's your case??????? I mean that's how the Spanish inquisition operated.

Every once in a while it becomes obvious that somebody is being paid to put out some sort of a line on one or more internet forums and the obvious light just went on here.

REGARDLESS of Zimmy 's opinions of any race,
he still has the right to defend himself from any perpetrator
that is slamming his brain against the street.

It is NOT the law
that ONLY non-racists can freely defend themselves from predatory violence.
EVERYONE can defend himself.

The critical consideration is that decedent GOT PHYSICAL
in attacking Zimmy FIRST. He got what he deserved.

David

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@gungasnake,

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An unnamed witness who swears on nothing in particular to tell the truth on the ******* radio and that's your case???????

Duh, you're not very bright, are you?

The man is a duly sworn witness, who is heard in a police interview, and the audio tape is part of the newly released evidence in this case. His name has been removed from the recording to protect his identity--as has been done with the names of all the witnesses in this case.

Zimmerman's state of mind, and his racial attitudes, and his propensities for aggressive behaviors, are very much a part of the state's case against him. Those would all be contributory factors in a reckless, needless homicide committed by a man with impaired judgment and poor impulse control--a man who had previously been court-ordered to take anger management classes, and a man who had been prescribed psychiatric medication for hyperactivity and impulsivity at the time he killed Trayvon Martin.

If you can't understand the evidence in this case, perhaps you should refrain from commenting on it.

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@JTT,

DAVID wrote:

Firstly: I am NOT your mate.

JTT wrote:

You are when you are honest, Om, so admittedly you are rarely my "mate".

NEVER.
Do NOT fantasize about me; its an ugly idea; gross & foul.

DAVID wrote:

Secondly: I did not say that, nor do I believe it.

JTT wrote:

That only illustrates just how true it is, Siggy. No sane individual can deny that the US is a major terrorist nation, a nation that has committed numerous war crimes. In fact, no Americans ever try to deny it with the exception of you, BillRM, and a few others whose sanity is truly suspect.

That is just more of your delusionary babbling.

David

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@firefly,

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If you can't understand the evidence in this case, perhaps you should refrain from commenting on it.

I understand it and I understand YOU...

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@OmSigDAVID,

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The critical consideration is that decedent GOT PHYSICAL
in attacking Zimmy FIRST. He got what he deserved.

Except you don't know that Trayvon Martin got physical first.

In fact, the friend that Martin was talking to on the phone, when Zimmerman confronted him, indicated that Zimmerman got physical first, perhaps by trying to grab Martin, to hold him for the police--something Zimmerman was obsessed with doing--because the last thing she heard Martin say was, "Get off, get off".

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May 18, 2012
Martin Spoke of ‘Crazy and Creepy’ Man Following Him, Friend Says
By SERGE F. KOVALESKI
A girl who talked on the phone with Trayvon Martin on the night of Feb. 26 has told a state prosecutor that she heard rising fear in Mr. Martin’s voice that peaked with words like “get off, get off,” right before she lost contact with him and he was shot to death.

In the sworn interview recorded on April 2, which runs more than 22 minutes, the unidentified 16-year-old said Mr. Martin described a man who was “crazy and creepy” and on the phone, watching him from a vehicle before he started to follow him on foot.

The girl implored Mr. Martin, 17, who said he put his sweatshirt hood up because of the rain, to run to the town house where he was staying with his father, his father’s girlfriend and her 14-year-old son.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/19/us/trayvon-martins-friend-tells-what-she-heard-on-phone.html

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he still has the right to defend himself from any perpetrator
that is slamming his brain against the street.

Zimmerman did not have the right to use deadly force against an unarmed teen who was trying to defend himself from an altercation that Zimmerman provoked and initiated.

The two minor, and quite small, scratches on the back of Zimmerman's head do not present incontrovertible evidence that his head was pounded on the street--they were very minor injuries. His alleged broken nose required no ENT or plastic surgery consult, he received no treatment for it, the nose was not re-set or packed, etc.--it was a speculative diagnosis for which Zimmerman sought no treatment. Any blow to the nose will cause blackened eyes, that's not indicative of serious bodily harm.

The evidence suggests that Martin was trying to defend himself from Zimmerman, that he punched him in the nose, and Zimmerman consequently scratched his head on the pavement, and Zimmerman landed no blows on Martin because he instead impulsively reached for his gun and shot and killed him. That's not justifiable self defense.

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