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@OmSigDAVID,

David shame on you with just a 100 bill into Zimmerman hands as I had already send him double that. Surprised

As far as the police this prosecution have little to do with the police but the political spin masters like Sharpton and those of the media that went so far as to doctor the 911 tape at least two times to show Zimmerman in a worst light.

Hell the police chief was force to step down over this extra-legal pressure generated to charge Zimmerman.

Bet that the reason that this was not given to the grand jury is that the prosecutor fear that Zimmerman would show up and she would end up with a very rare case of a no true bill being issue.

This is about as clear of a case of justifiable self defense as can be no matter how must smoke Firefly had try to blow up our rear-ends on this thread.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

David shame on you with just a 100 bill into Zimmerman hands as I had already send him double that.

Yes; please note that I was contemplating successful victims (including future victims) generally,
not just Zimmy.

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@BillRM,

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This is about as clear of a case of justifiable self defense as can be no matter how must smoke Firefly had try to blow up our rear-ends on this thread.

That's funny Bill.

It's so clear that a prosecutor has filed charges. It's so clear that a judge didn't throw it out at the bail hearing. It's so clear that Zimmerman waived a speedy trial to let this drag on for even longer.

The only thing that is clear Bill, is how you can't see clearly.

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@parados,

Quote:

This is about as clear of a case of justifiable self defense as can be no matter how must
smoke Firefly had try to blow up our rear-ends on this thread.

parados wrote:

That's funny Bill.

It's so clear that a prosecutor has filed charges.
It's so clear that a judge didn't throw it out at the bail hearing.

Was there a MOTION to dismiss, Mr. Parados ??
( I did not hear of one. )

parados wrote:

It's so clear that Zimmerman waived a speedy trial to let this drag on for even longer.

The only thing that is clear Bill, is how you can't see clearly.

Mindless bluster, Parados. U usually do better.

The people who oppose Zimmy's position
seem to tacitly demand that when we r fighting for our lives,
we shud pull our punches, go ez on the predator,
to avoid or reduce the probabilities of his partner, GOVERNMENT,
avenging the bad guy upon his victim, if the victim is not sufficiently docile & compliant.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Was there a MOTION to dismiss, Mr. Parados ??

Oh.. it's so clear that the defense decided they didn't need to present a motion to dismiss?

Really David. If the facts are so clear as you and Bill claim then why has there been no motion to dismiss? How could any judge not see the things you do and throw the case out?

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@parados,

DAVID wrote:

Was there a MOTION to dismiss, Mr. Parados ??

parados wrote:

Oh.. it's so clear that the defense decided they didn't need to present a motion to dismiss?

Not necessarily at that point in time; no.
There is nothing rong in planning strategy; that includes timing.
U shud already know that. Obvious.

parados wrote:

Really David. If the facts are so clear as you and Bill claim then why has there been no motion to dismiss?

Am I supposed to be the architect of the strategy ???
Am I supposed to empathically read the mind of defense counsel ?

parados wrote:

How could any judge not see the things you do and throw the case out?

U r showing a lot of emotion, Mr. Parados; to the point of allowing it to disorganize your thinking.
It is not the function of the court to sua sponte take over defense of the case.
The court serenely awaits the arguments of adverse counsel
and rules upon them after meticulous, dispassionate analysis.

Are u panicking at the thought of victims having the recognized freedom
to kill their criminal predators in the act??? Does that scare u ?

Mr. Parados wants the victims to LOSE.
I want the victims to WIN.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

David we do need to get behind Zimmerman or we will all find ourself needing to hope like hell that if we are attacked by some hoodlum that hoodlum is ideally an Eskimo just visiting from the Arctic circle or from some other group with very light skin color.

Being as non-white as Obama with a history of defending blacks had proven no defense for Zimmerman being charge as a white racist out to kill a black kid and even my family members with African America blood in their veins seems likely not to be a defense as I can see the news media showing their "too" white skin next to their white husbands.

They must be self hating race traitors once more out to kill black kids.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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Not necessarily at that point in time; no.
There is nothing rong in planning strategy; that includes timing.
U shud already know that. Obvious.

If it's so clear cut and obvious why do you need any strategy at all? Strategy is only needed if there is a possibility of losing. Are you saying people that act out of self defense need a strategy to defend their actions?

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Parados and Firefly,
David and Bill can't admit that Zimmerman may have simply commited a crime, because to admit that would be to tacitly admit to the existence of the kind of mindless fake-macho of gun nuts that just enjoys power for power's sake, and lives for the opportunity to shoot people.

So, of course "Zimmy" was a heroic and innocent victim who was threatened by the thuggish predator Trayvon Martin... because, frankly - their piggish little brains simply can't manage anything else.

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@OmSigDAVID,

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U r showing a lot of emotion, Mr. Parados; to the point of allowing it to disorganize your thinking.
It is not the function of the court to sua sponte take over defense of the case.

When did I say the court should rule prior to a defense motion? If the case is so clear then the defense should have already presented a motion and the judge already ruled on it. Stalling is a strategy, but it is usually practiced by those that aren't in a strong position.

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Police shud NOT harass victims who have defeated criminal predators by KILLING them.

On what evidence are you concluding that Trayvon Martin, the person Zimmerman killed, was a criminal predator?

OmSigDavid wrote:

I 'd shake his hand and maybe jam a $1OO bill into it !

I'd do the same if Zimmerman came after me with his gun loaded, cocked, and unlocked. It's basic survival instinct.

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Is there ANYTHING immoral, illegal, dishonorable, or unethical in doing so, Tom ["doing so" meaning "getting out of ones car --- T."] ?

No, it's just not "standing your ground".

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@parados,

DAVID wrote:

Not necessarily at that point in time; no.
There is nothing rong in planning strategy; that includes timing.
U shud already know that. Obvious.

parados wrote:

If it's so clear cut and obvious why do you need any strategy at all?

U shud present your case in a well ordered fashion; chaos shud be avoided. That 's Y.
U shud not need ME to tell u that.

parados wrote:

Strategy is only needed if there is a possibility of losing.

Your assertion is devoid of merit.

parados wrote:

Are you saying people that act out of self defense need a strategy to defend their actions?

That question is so hopelessly OVERBROAD as to be impossible of competent reply.

David

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@snood,

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David and Bill can't admit that Zimmerman may have simply commited a crime, because to admit that would be to tacitly admit to the existence of the kind of mindless fake-macho of gun nuts that just enjoys power for power's sake, and lives for the opportunity to shoot people.

Occam's razor is that we had a 17 year old with the lack of judgment and emotional control that is normal for a 17 years old getting piss off at having Zimmerman following him and turn and attack Zimmerman to the point that Zimmerman was force to use deadly force.

If it was otherwise Trayvon would not had gotten the chance to knocked Zimmerman off his feet and pound his head on the sidewalk.

Hell Trayvon would had been looking at the wrong end of a firearm as soon as he near Zimmerman if Zimmerman was just looking to express his manhood by means of a gun.

In a way it is too bad that Zimmerman is not as the people on this thread are trying to paint him otherwise Trayvon would not had attack a very openly arm Zimmerman and would had been likely alive today as a result.

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I don 't expect that violent crime will ever end, as long as our species remains extant,
but I yearn that in the future: day after day, nite after nite,
year after year, the victims will PREVAIL killing the criminal predators who afflict them.

I crave that continuing long after the natural end of my Earthly life,
victims will persistently inflict very high rates of lethal fatality upon criminal predators.
Obviously, future victims shud all (of all ages and genders) be very well armed to accomplish those victories.

The future victims, the decent people, using democracy, shud craft
the law to support their aggressive application of principles of self defense from the predators.

Politicians shud be cognizant
that while the decent people vote,
violent predators r less likely to do so.

David

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@BillRM,

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Occam's razor is that we had a 17 year old with the lack of judgment and emotional control that is normal for a 17 years old getting piss off at having Zimmerman following him and turn and attack Zimmerman to the point that Zimmerman was force to use deadly force.

Occam's razor doesn't allow you to create facts out of thin air Bill. You will cut yourself badly if you attempt to use Occam's razor that way.

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@Thomas,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Police shud NOT harass victims who have defeated criminal predators by KILLING them.

Thomas wrote:

On what evidence are you concluding that Trayvon Martin,
the person Zimmerman killed, was a criminal predator?

on the evidence of his smashing Zimmy's brain against the street

OmSigDavid wrote:

I 'd shake his hand and maybe jam a $1OO bill into it !

Thomas wrote:

I'd do the same if Zimmerman came after me with his gun loaded, cocked, and unlocked. It's basic survival instinct.

I 'd wanna reward him for admirable conduct !

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Is there ANYTHING immoral, illegal, dishonorable, or unethical in doing so,
Tom ["doing so" meaning "getting out of ones car --- T."] ?

Yes, that and also following anyone around in the streets.

Thomas wrote:

No, it's just not "standing your ground".

OK
The statute does not require that u stand all the time.
U can get out of your truck, if u want.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

on the evidence of his smashing Zimmy's brain against the street

That's not evidence, that's a claim. A claim you make up without evidence.

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@Thomas,

Quote:

That's not evidence, that's a claim. A claim you make up without evidence.

No evidences except just to start with a picture taken within a minute or two of the gun shot by a third party with both a time stamp and a GPS location on it of some of Zimmerman wounds.

An open and shut case of self defense but for the political pressure being place on the legal system.

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@Thomas,

OmSigDAVID wrote:

on the evidence of his smashing Zimmy's brain against the street

Thomas wrote:

That's not evidence, that's a claim. A claim you make up without evidence.

The evidence is what Zimmy has said; he was there. He had a good vu.

David

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Stand Your Ground Enjoys Strong Support,
Opinion Poll Finds

May 10, 2012|By Anthony Man, Sun Sentinel
Florida voters — especially men and Republicans — support the state's
Stand Your Ground law, an opinion poll has found.

A Suffolk University/WSVN-Ch. 7 poll released Thursday shows 50
percent of Florida voters support the law that allows people who
feel threatened in the street or most other public places to use
deadly force to defend themselves. Just 32 percent oppose the law
and 18 percent are undecided.

Stand Your Ground has received intense scrutiny since the February
shooting death of Trayvon Martin, a Miami Gardens 17 year old,
in the central Florida city of Sanford.

The shooter, Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman,
who has been charged with second-degree murder, said he felt
threatened by Martin.

The 2005 law says a person has "the right to stand his or her ground
and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she
reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or
great bodily harm."

The poll uncovered dramatic differences among different demographic
groups, said David Paleologos, director of the Boston-based Suffolk
University Political Research Center.

There's a significant gender gap, with 61 percent of men supporting
Stand Your Ground and 24 percent opposing the law. Women are split
with 39 percent in favor and 39 percent opposed.
Republicans love Stand Your Ground and Democrats hate it, the poll found.
Among Democrats, 33 percent support the law and 51 percent oppose it.
Among Republicans, support is 70 percent and opposition is 12 percent.
Independents favor the law, but not as dramatically.
It's supported by 47 percent of independents and opposed by 30 percent.

A committee appointed by Gov. Rick Scott and headed by Lt. Gov.
Jennifer Carroll is examining Stand Your Ground. Another committee,
appointed by state Sen. Chris Smith, D-Fort Lauderdale,
favored repeal, but Smith said there wasn't enough of a consensus
to recommend that course and the panel instead wants revisions.

The poll also found 71 percent of Florida voters said sheriff's offices
should more closely monitor Neighborhood Watch groups and volunteers.
Another 23 percent said more oversight isn't needed and 7 percent
were undecided.

Paleologos said the Martin shooting "appears to have awakened
concerns about citizen responders."

The Suffolk/WSVN poll of 600 Florida voters, conducted Sunday
through Tuesday, has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

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