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Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 12:50 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
Adding to the theme David Presents of state misconduct in this arrest:

Quote:
Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard Law School is already on the record opining that the arrest affidavit filed against George Zimmerman for the alleged second-degree murder of Trayvon Martin is “so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second-degree murder charge … everything in the affidavit is completely consistent with a defense of self-defense.”

Now that ABC News has released the sensational photo reputedly showing blood flowing from the back of Zimmerman’s head, Dershowitz has even more to say about the conduct of Angela Corey, the prosecutor in the case that has put Sanford, Fla., on the map, according to a report by Brietbart News.

The photo would clearly corroborate Zimmerman’s self-defense story that the young black male was slamming his head against the sidewalk pavement before he was driven to shoot him to safeguard of his own life.

According to media and police reports, Zimmerman while serving as a neighborhood watchman noticed the hooded teenager moving through a neighborhood where he knew there had been a history of break-ins. In fact, Martin was innocently making his way to his father’s house after visiting a nearby convenience store.

Zimmerman reported his sighting and suspicions to the police dispatcher who instructed him to let uniformed officers to confront the young man. He did not follow those instructions.

According to Dershowitz, having access to the photo before charging Zimmerman with second-degree murder might prove to be a sticky thing ethically for Corey.

The arrest affidavit does not address any such photograph or the bleeding cuts apparent on Zimmerman’s head. Dershowitz now reveals to Breitbart News that if the prosecutors had access to the photo and didn’t mention it in the affidavit, that could present a “grave ethical violation,” since affidavits are required to spell out “all relevant information.”

Dershowitz added, “An affidavit that willfully misstates undisputed evidence known to the prosecution is not only unethical but borders on perjury because an affiant swears to tell not only the truth, but the whole truth, and suppressing an important part of the whole truth is a lie.
“We do know that there were earlier photographs before the affidavit was done that strongly suggested blood on the back of the head, and we know the police had first access to him, so if there was blood they would know about it …,” the legal expert explained.

"I've had cases in Florida against prosecutors,” Dershowitz concluded, “and this is not the first time they have willfully omitted exculpatory evidence. It's a continuing problem. Here, it’s not only immoral, but stupid. The whole country is watching. What do they benefit from having half-truths in an affidavit?"



http://www.newsmax.com/US/Trayvon-Martin-Zimmerman-killing/2012/04/20/id/436616
Thank u, Hawkeye.
I surmise that the D.A. is making an awkward,
clumsy effort for personal, political aggrandizement,
hoping to get in good with black voters and the left.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 01:09 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Yes DrewDad have given one reason that no matter how innocent you might be if it never a good idea to give the state another bit of the apple if they can not prove the charges they had investigated you for they can try a lying to the police charge.

At the Federal level it a felony and in Florida it is a misdemeanor if memory serve me correctly.

If for example Martha Stewart had not talk to the Fed over her stock trading and just refer them to her lawyer she would had serve zero time in prison as they could not get her for inside trading so they turn to lying to federal agents.

The same go for skater Tonya Harding they did not get her for the attack on her rival but for once more lying to the Feds.
Yes; thank u, Bill.





David
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 01:11 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
I surmise that the D.A. is making an awkward,
clumsy effort for personal, political aggrandizement,
hoping to get in good with black voters and the left.


From what I have read about her it seems that her mission in life is victim worship, that the law is a means to that end, justice be damned. However, it may be that you are right and I am wrong.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 01:17 am
@hawkeye10,
DAVID wrote:
I surmise that the D.A. is making an awkward,
clumsy effort for personal, political aggrandizement,
hoping to get in good with black voters and the left.
hawkeye10 wrote:
From what I have read about her
it seems that her mission in life is victim worship,
Well, if she wants to go to worshiping Zimmy,
she knows where to find him.
Maybe he will appoint her his Pope.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 01:37 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Well, if she wants to go to worshiping Zimmy,
she knows where to find him.
Maybe he will appoint her his Pope.


Well, there you go again, sticking you finger in the eye of the groupthink about which guy is the victim and which guy is the abuser. More interesting though would be an examination of why the groupthink assumes that there has to be a victim and has to be an abuser...that is to say to discuss whether the pervasive victim culture serves us well.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 02:22 am
Zimmy ? ! ? ! ? What, is this guy your buddy? Is he now a mascot of some kind? The lunatic fringe has taken over this thread.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 02:39 am
@Setanta,


I don't think you meant that to be funny, Setanta, but it made me laugh.
Spot on.

Suddenly this guy is "Zimmy"?
Anyone who owns a gun (preferably more than one!) & shot it at someone, is a pal of David's. A hero!
You should know that.

And now we have moved onto "groupthink about which guy is the victim".

Oh my goodness ... if this thread wasn't about the totally unnecessary premature death of a young man, a tragedy, one could sit back & be amazed & even amused at these incredible insights from the fringes!
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 03:12 am
@msolga,
Quote:
if this thread wasn't about the totally unnecessary premature death of a young man, a tragedy, one could sit back & be amazed & even amused at these incredible insights from the fringes!


Sorry a young man dying is a tragedy however a man being charge with murder for the "crime" of defensing himself from grave harm or death is a miscarriage of justice with special note when his being charge is politically motivated.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 03:15 am
@BillRM,
That is your opinion, Bill.

Let's see what the court decides.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 03:38 am
@msolga,
Quote:
That is your opinion, Bill.

Let's see what the court decides.


There is little question in my mind how this is going to work out but the poor gentleman is going to be spending himself and his family into the poor house and when the charges are drop or he is found not guilty no one is going to undo the harm either financially or emotionally done to him and his family.

A picture is worth a thousand words of spin doctors.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/20/article-0-12B04BB7000005DC-56_634x403.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 03:44 am
@BillRM,
I've read the responses to that photograph on the other thread, Bill.

Let's just leave it here until the court decides.
At least that's what I'd prefer to do.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 04:01 am
@msolga,
Quote:
Let's just leave it here until the court decides.
At least that's what I'd prefer to do.


Strange now that great extra legal pressures had been apply successfully to bring this case into the courts you wish to stop all comments and counter pressures existing outside the court system.

This sadly is just another example of why our justice system needs a major overhaul to deserve the name justice system.
djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 04:30 am
@BillRM,
aww, poor zimmy, did the nasty bwack man, give you boo boo's on your noggin, well you better shoot him

with a shaved head, it doesn't take much to have that kind of blood running, i keep my head shaved for the most part, i've had blood like that when i've scratched my head on a nail sticking through an attic roof, looks very dramatic, but hardly the death blows many claim, especially when he never went to the hospital and to the best of my knowledge never needed stitches

after such an injury i wiped my head with a damp towel and applied some rubbing alcohol, i didn't shoot the roof

msolga
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 04:45 am
@BillRM,
I also said (the bit you left out) :

Quote:
I've read the responses to that photograph on the other thread, Bill.

There are differing opinions about that photograph.
I don't know that any of us are really in any position to be 100% certain that our particular opinion is correct.

Quote:
Strange now that great extra legal pressures had been apply successfully to bring this case into the courts you wish to stop all comments and counter pressures existing outside the court system.

Not at all.
Why would I want to do that?
Post away as much as you like!
I just didn't want to get into a protracted debate about the authenticity or otherwise of that photograph with you! Wink
I don't think either of us are experts in such things.

Quote:
This sadly is just another example of why our justice system needs a major overhaul to deserve the name justice system.

What? Confused


gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 05:47 am
Anybody who thinks that prosecutors are completely untouchable or that they can conduct their business with total disregard for reality should read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Nifong

Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 05:52 am
@msolga,
I wasn't aware that you are employed in the American justice system. Is this moonlighting? A hobby? How do you manage it, do you phone it in?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 05:55 am
@gungasnake,
This doesn't apply, it's not analogous. Unless, of course, you allege that the prosecutor in Florida has maligned the defense lawyers. Have you got a citation for that?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 07:06 am
@djjd62,
To get that kind of blood running it is likely that someone either hit him in the back of the head with a object or hit his head on concrete/sidewalk as it is claimed that the poor innocent Trayvon did to Zimmerman.

Either actions could be life threatening to say the least!!!!!

I know you think that Zimmerman needed to allow himself to be kill or place into intense care unit by Trayvon but that is not how it work.
parados
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 07:22 am
I find it rather humorous that after all the complaints about how it was a lynch mob trying to get Zimmerman convicted, now that he's arrested the ones going on and on about it are those that were against Zimmerman being charged at all. It seems to show the lie about it being a 'lynch mob' out to get Zimmerman since the arrest has eliminated those protests. Those protesting originally seem to be willing to let the justice system work while people like David are working rather hard to undermine it's credibility.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 21 Apr, 2012 07:41 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
I find it rather humorous that after all the complaints about how it was a lynch mob trying to get Zimmerman convicted,
now that he's arrested the ones going on and on about it are those that were against Zimmerman being charged at all.
People shud not get arrested for reading the NY Times,
nor for merely defending themselves
. Its OK to do both.

Its perfectly all right.

I wish that it were in the Constitution
that when someone becomes the victim of crime
(in this case a violent criminal assault by T. Martin
upon the happless Zimmy) that government is duty bound
to be supportive of the victim, not the bad guy.
( Holders of public office who disobay that imperative
shud lose their pensions and be subject to incarceration. )
The facts were probed by the police,
who were satisfied that it was OK.
If not, then (in a situation of self defense)
let it proceed by inquest in which government shall bear
all financial expenses, including paying defendant 's legal fee expenses.
If the inquest finds reason to believe that defendant
committed a crime, then let it proceed to trial.

I am biased in favor of the GOOD GUYS and I disfavor the bad guys.




parados wrote:
It seems to show the lie about it being a 'lynch mob' out to get Zimmerman
since the arrest has eliminated those protests.
I see it as a frenzied lust for vengeance against Zimmy
because he was politically incorrect and he is a white.
There 'd be a lot less turmoil in the press,
if the races of the participants were switched.




parados wrote:
Those protesting originally seem to be willing to let the justice system work
while people like David are working rather hard to undermine it's credibility.
I expect to see a lot of squealing if Zimmy is set free.
Credibility???? My observations have led me to see the similarities
between courthouses and casinos. Don 't kid yourself.





David
 

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