Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

@firefly,

Of course there was no crime or so little crime in that gate community so that no one else saw the need for more eyes then whatever the police could provide.

Comments about past breaks in and minor crimes had appear in the new stories and if someone would take the time to find zip codes we could get more accurate crime information but I question if the gates kept the crime level so low.

Spinning away Firefly.

Ps my mother now live in a community with gates and fencing and the minor crime rate is far from zero.

Mostly because of the teenagers living in the community.

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@cicerone imposter,

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I'm just wondering what the numbers are for people going into gated communities without permission? One in a million(s)?

Oh, I'm sure that, once in a while, some people did manage to get into that community and rob residences--the fence might not be all that high. But access wasn't all that easy.

But a would-be burglar doesn't want to be spotted. It is more likely they will take off and leave if someone sees them. That's not how Martin was acting. He was just walking around, talking on his cell phone, while Zimmerman was watching him and calling 911, until Zimmerman's behavior finally made him feel threatened--that's why his girlfriend told him to run back to where his father was staying, because she was concerned for him, and she is a witness in this case. Martin wasn't that far from where his father was staying when he was killed--he does seem to have been headed there.

BillRM doesn't realize how much spinning and speculation he is engaging in. The lead investigator that night wasn't convinced of Zimmerman's account of events, or that this was a fully justified homicide done in self defense. BillRM, of course, knows better. He always does. Rolling Eyes

This case belongs in court.

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@firefly,

In my experience, the gates are more of an annoyance than anything else.

They're a joke as far as actual security goes.

Want in? Just drive up to the gate and wait. (Wear a confused expression as a disguise.) Someone who wants to get in will let you through just to keep from having to hassle with getting you out of the way.

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@firefly,

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Oh, I'm sure that, once in a while, some people did manage get into that community and rob residences--the fence might not be all that high. But access wasn't all that easy.

LOL as in the teenagers/young adults allowing their friends or friends of friends in by the car load ever weekend.

Once in a while my rear end as once more my mother live in a community with gates and cards and fencing and it might be helpful in keeping someone from driving a truck into the area and removing ever thing not nail down from someone home but it does not limit the access all that must or minor crimes

Hell I more then once had seen people that did not care to go the long way around to the gates climbing the fence.

Minor crimes in gates communities are mostly either some community teenager or a guest of a community teenager.

Trayvon have one character that if I was part of a crime watch would draw my attention and that is not his skin color but his age if I was looking for someone doing minor crimes.

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@BillRM,

Of coarse all those resident teenagers who invite their friends allow them to go rob their neighbors. What a ****'n dork!

One resident teenager to his/her friends; "please rob our neighbors, because I'm here to be a part of the fun."

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@cicerone imposter,

From CrimeDoctor.

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Formidable fencing and gates, by design, restrict access and therefore provide both a physical and psychological barrier for criminals. Good signage is necessary to announce that this is private property and to post your no trespassing policy. Sure, one can tailgate onto a property behind someone else but this requires effort and exposes the criminal to a potential witness. Criminals want to come onto an apartment property anonymously and blend into the community of strangers. Criminals like quick escape routes and don’t want to become trapped behind fences or gates should they be discovered. Many criminals will bypass a gated community for one that is not gated simply because of the restricted access.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Of coarse all those resident teenagers who invite their friends allow them to go rob their neighbors. What a ****'n dork!

It happen and not rarely along with the teenagers/young adults breaking into a foreclosure homes in order to have sex and or do drugs in private.

My mother community lost two homes due to fire for that very reason in the last two years.

I suggest you might wish to google crime and gated communities for more information.

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@BillRM,

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Trayvon have one character that if I was part of a crime watch would draw my attention and that is not his skin color but his age if I was looking for someone doing minor crimes.

Except Trayvon wasn't doing anything "suspicious" when Zimmerman called 911--he was walking and talking on a cell phone--all of this cops-and-robbers stuff was going on inside Zimmerman's head and imagination--including the sense of urgency about not wanting to wait until the police showed up.

All teenagers, including the ones who happen to be black, are not suspicious characters.

Zimmerman, the zealous anti-crime fighter, and wannabe cop, was primed, in his own mind, to see crime and criminal activity in a totally innocuous situation--where a kid was just walking around talking on his cell phone. The police didn't think it was urgent for him to tail the kid--they told him not to. The urgency to follow Martin was all in Zimmerman's head--and it wasn't based on anything Martin was actually doing. Zimmerman misperceived and misinterpreted the situation.

Can't you see any of that? Don't you even understand that Zimmerman made an error in judgment--and everything else he did followed from that initial error?

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@BillRM,

Supply the evidence. Any credible source will do.

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@firefly,

He was walking slowly and draw Zimmerman eyes and whether Zimmerman was right or not right to think that Trayvon was up to no good in no way was Trayvon given a license to attack Zimmerman.

Hell even if Zimmerman had concerns over Trayvon because of his skin color alone, something I do not think likely, it did not grant him license to turn and attack Zimmerman and it did not removed Zimmerman right of self defense.

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@BillRM,

All assumptions based on your personal imagination.

BTW, do you check under your bed every night before you go to sleep?

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@cicerone imposter,

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BTW, do you check under your bed every night before you go to sleep?

I set an home alarm and I keep reminding my wife to look at the back seat of her car before getting in and so on.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

A safety device?

Yes; guns r safety devices.

cicerone imposter wrote:

You're willing to shoot and kill somebody for what? A few dollars in your wallet?

This is revealing, coming from a liberal,
indicative of the mental processes at work, resulting in their wish
to PROTECT EVIL, from the defenses of good men (their victims).

The secret essence of liberalism of the left is defense of evil.
That is the reason that the liberals were so friendly toward the communist enemy
during the Third World War, b4 the commies collapsed & went out of business.

Many a liberal must have been heartbroken, when that happened.
I wonder whether thay have gotten over it yet ?

David

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@firefly,

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Don't you even understand that Zimmerman made an error in judgment--and everything else he did followed from that initial error?

The very act of Trayvon attacking Zimmerman is all that is needed to tell us that Zimmerman was 100 percents correct in his sensing that there was something very wrong with that young man.

Strange in any case that you been telling us time after time that a woman is never to be blamed for being attack even if she is using the bad judgment of walking the street naked however Zimmerman is to be blame for being attack because of your claims that he used poor judgment in the legal act of following Trayvon.

So you are changing you mind that if a woman used bad judgments she is to be blame for a sexual assault on her and if she is attack she had lost the right of self defense?

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@OmSigDAVID,

Who said I wanted to protect evil? Evil are people like you who would commit murder in the name of entitlement.

We have the police, court systems, and jails/prisons to protect ourselves from criminals.

If you believe the defense of evil are liberals, what do you call those people who would deny women equal pay (unions), health services (Planned Parenthood), and voting rights (voter ID requirements).

What do you call a conservative presidential candidate that lies upon his own lies?

What do you call conservatives who prefer wars (killing innocent people) over our own citizens interests?

You really don't know the difference. That's because you're an idiot.

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@BillRM,

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BTW, do you check under your bed every night before you go to sleep?

BillRM wrote:

I set an home alarm and I keep reminding my wife to look
at the back seat of her car before getting in and so on.

Make sure that all exterior doors r secure.
That includes the ABSENCE of windows from bad places.

Years ago, I had an uncle, a German-born nazi.
He had a ritual: just b4 going to bed each nite,
he checked his back door, to make sure that it was locked.
He was FAITHFUL to his ritual.
On multiple occasions, I pointed out to him
that next to his lock, there was an ordinary glass window.
A burglar cud easily break it in (applying adhesive tape
to its outside, for noise suppression), reach thru and
turn the lock from the inside. Additionally: he did not
keep a gun in his house; no defenses. (I did not approve of this.)

Exterior doors shud be stout and have no glass near the locks.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

David I had CI block so I am not seeing all his postings but to his question is it worth it to kill for a few dollars in a wallet my answer would be no and if someone just grab my wallet or my wife purse and run away I would never dream of using deadly force.

However if someone pull a gun or a knife out and demand my wallet all I know for sure he is his willing to used deadly force over that wallet and that my life is in danger because of his action.

I had no guarantee that turning over the wallet would end the threat or not end the threat.

In that case I would have no moral problem with using deadly force.

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@BillRM,

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The very act of Trayvon attacking Zimmerman is all that is needed to tell us that Zimmerman was 100 percents correct in his sensing that there was something very wrong with that young man.

You have no idea whether Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, or whether Martin was trying to defend himself from Zimmerman after a direct provocation from Zimmerman. Martin had no idea why this strange nut was following him, or what Zimmerman might do to him. He had reason to fear Zimmerman because Zimmerman was acting strangely in staring at, and following, him. Martin may have been acting to defend his own life from Zimmerman--that's not an "attack".

You are using circular reasoning--you are assuming that if Zimmerman shot Martin, that he was attacked and justified in shooting him. You are not taking into account that Martin felt threatened by Zimmerman because of the way Zimmerman was acting all along. That's why Martin's girlfriend told him to run away from Zimmerman, to run to where his father was staying, she was concerned for Martin given the way Martin told her Zimmerman was acting.

Zimmerman did use bad judgment in following Martin, against the instruction of the police dispatcher, because Martin wasn't doing anything that required urgent action on Zimmerman's part--it could have waited for the police to show up. He used bad judgment in assuming the kid was a criminal in the first place--and that influenced everything else he did.

And Zimmerman is the one who had a past history of run-ins with the law for his own problems with anger management. If one of the two was a hot-head, based on their past patterns, it was more likely Zimmerman than Martin.

You are simply willing to buy Zimmerman's account unquestioningly. That doesn't show much ability for critical thinking on your part. The lead investigator, who saw Zimmerman's injuries, wasn't that willing to just blindly accept his account--he recommended to the state attorney that Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Who said I wanted to protect evil?

YOU did, in Post: # 4,970,354, which I quoted. U defended robbers from getting killed by their victims.
I support that robbers get killed by their victims, as ofen as possible.

cicerone imposter wrote:

Evil are people like you who would commit murder in the name of entitlement.

It is not "murder" but I am ENTITLED to keep the money in my wallet
and it is OK to kill robbers, in defense of that !!!

cicerone imposter wrote:

We have the police, court systems, and jails/prisons to protect ourselves from criminals.

Thay did not prevent ME from getting shot at, in public.

cicerone imposter wrote:

If you believe the defense of evil are liberals,

I do.

cicerone imposter wrote:

what do you call those people who would deny women equal pay (unions),

Supporters of free negotiation.

cicerone imposter wrote:

health services (Planned Parenthood),

That is a private organization, whose relationships r free of interference and private.

cicerone imposter wrote:

and voting rights (voter ID requirements).

Good to reduce or to prevent Democratic voter frauds,
including illegal aliens voting Democrat.

cicerone imposter wrote:

What do you call a conservative presidential candidate that lies upon his own lies?
What do you call conservatives who prefer wars (killing innocent people) over our own citizens interests?
You really don't know the difference. That's because you're an idiot.

As to all of that blustering,
the answer is: null class and inapplicable.

David

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@BillRM,

I reject the concept that victims shud try to protect robbers.
We did not create government to have it interfere with us like that.
The victim shud not be protecting the predators.

David

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