Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

@BillRM,

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Yes you are on the ground with someone slamming your head into the sidewalk

So where's the evidence of this alleged head-pounding?

Two minor scrapes on the back of Zimmerman's head--that are both less than 1/2 inch in diameter? That's no evidence of a head-pounding.

What is there to corroborate Zimmerman's claim that his head was repeatedly pounded into the sidewalk?

Ragman was right when he said this about you...

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It's not like you can pound any common sense or inject logic into a discussion with an unarmed simpleton...

And he's also right that I'm wasting my time by responding to you...

It's a shame that the fervent Zimmerman supporters in this thread are the least capable of considering all the actual evidence in this case because that makes their lop-sided and subjective comments too easily disregarded on a simply factual basis. So a genuinely thoughtful discussion of the case, including a meaningful defense of Zimmerman, becomes impossible because too much evidence is being ignored or denied by these rather mindless supporters.

Zimmerman's lawyer won't have the luxury of disregarding the evidence that contradicts Zimmerman's account, or fails to support it, he'll have to address it in court, as well as the inconsistencies in Zimmerman's accounts which raise questions about his credibility.

There's a huge gap between the reality of what this legal case will include and the overly simplistic nonsense put forth in this thread to absolve Zimmerman of legal responsibility for an unlawful killing. Unfortunately, the Zimmerman cheerleading squad can't even see or understand that.

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@firefly,

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Zimmerman's lawyer won't have the luxury of disregarding the evidence that contradicts Zimmerman's account, or fails to support it, he'll have to address it in court, as well as the inconsistencies in Zimmerman's accounts which raise questions about his credibility.

The sum total of the known evidences support Zimmerman to the point he was not arrested until the airing of a edit 911 tape and the showing of a picture of Trayvon when he was 14 years old and the false claiming Zimmerman is both white and a racist and so on.

This was a mob and political driven charge not base on the evidences in any manner.

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@firefly,

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So where's the evidence of this alleged head-pounding?

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@BillRM,

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The sum total of the known evidences support Zimmerman to the point he was not arrested until the airing of a edit 911 tape and the showing of a picture of Trayvon when he was 14 years old and the false claiming Zimmerman is both white and a racist and so on.

This was a mob and political driven charge not base on the evidences in any manner.

I'm beginning to wonder whether you have followed this legal case at all.

The police report, written the night of the shooting, classified this death as a "homicide, negligent manslaughter, unnecessary killing to prevent unlawful act"--and copies of that report have been posted several times in this thread. Note the part about "unnecessary killing".
http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf

In addition, the lead investigator on the case wanted Zimmerman arrested, and he make that request to the D,A.'s office--it was the D.A. who declined to bring charges--but the lead investigator had felt Zimmerman should be arrested because his version of events had credibility problems due to many inconsistencies.

So don't claim the initial evidence supported Zimmerman--it didn't--there were troubling questions about this case from the very start, particularly in the mind of the lead investigator.

All you're showing is your ignorance of the case. And it really is a waste of time to discuss the case with someone who is as uninformed as you are.

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@gungasnake,

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I'd guess that 2/3 of the people on a2k wouldn't know what the "knockout game" was...

http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/black-mobs-knockout-game-raising-alarms/

Sounds like a good reason for more Stand Your Ground laws.

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We surely need to strengthen the self defense laws even further so our loves ones are not put through what Zimmerman and his family is being put through for the crime of self defense.

Hell of a note how the new media and the like of Al Sharpton can get a political base prosecution going in this case.

At least the idiots who edit the 911 tape is likely to pay for doing so.

If Trayvon was so willing to attacked a grown man on a public street can you picture his likely actions inside some home that he had enter to replaced the jewelries that the school security had taken away from him if the homeowners had dare to interfere with him?

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@firefly,

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It's a shame that the fervent Zimmerman supporters in this thread are the least capable of considering all the actual evidence in this case because that makes their lop-sided and subjective comments too easily disregarded on a simply factual basis. So a genuinely thoughtful discussion of the case, including a meaningful defense of Zimmerman, becomes impossible because too much evidence is being ignored or denied by these rather mindless supporters.

Yes showing a picture of a harmless looking 14 year old Trayvon, editing the damn 911 tape to show falsely that Zimmerman had race on his mind and of course trying to sell the idea if you only listen hard enough you could hear a very old fashion racist slur.

Then trying to sell a man who is about as white as Obama as an evil white racist when even with a full press FBI investigation no one had been any to find any evidence that he is a racist of any kind and so on.

Too bad that the one blow theory of your that Trayvon knock down Zimmerman and did all the harm to him is not flying too well and I guess in trying to help Zimmerman back to his feet he trip and fell on top of him.

The case is about as clear a case of self defense as anyone is likely to ever happen and only the cry of Al Sharpton and his like cause the poor man to be arrested.

By the way can anyone name a case that Al Sharpton was right about over the decades starting in the case of the girl in New York who was supposed to had been gang raped by not only whites but high power whites such as police officers and a DA?

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@BillRM,

Unfortunately, none of the things you mention is evidence in the criminal case against Zimmerman.

Either you don't know what constitutes evidence, or you really haven't followed the legal case at all, and you're just spouting meaningless BS.

In either case, your're doing nothing except displaying your ignorance.

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@firefly,

He is displaying more than ignorance, to be fair. He is, as well, vocalizing that Zimmerman won't get a fair trial. Media already deemed him guilty before a legitimate verdict, because it is marketable to the public. The way I look at it, Zimmerman is fucked beyond repair. So the best thing for him to do is to prolong it as much as possible.

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@Val Killmore,

I think it is possible for him to get a fair trial. There are plenty of people who haven't paid that much attention to this case, or who really haven't yet made up their minds regarding his guilt.

The trial will focus on only the actual legal evidence, and the mainstream media really hasn't covered that to any extent. Just look at how uninformed BillRM and oralloy are regarding the actual evidence against Zimmerman--they seem unaware of most of it.

What's really damaging to Zimmerman has nothing to do with media coverage. It's the fact that he deliberately misled the court regarding his assists, and the existence of a second passport, and he gave his wife instructions on transferring those assets, in order to conceal them, while he was in jail awaiting his bond hearing. In a case that hinges on his credibility, he seriously damaged his own credibility by publicly revealing himself to be less than truthful when deception served his interests.

It's questionable whether evidence of his dishonestly at the bond hearing will be admissible at trial to impugn his credibility, but, if it is allowed, it will be quite damaging to him. It may have already cost him a loss of public support in terms of diminished contributions to his legal defense fund.

There is no question that Zimmerman is guilty of killing Martin, the only issue is whether the killing was legally justified under Florida's self-defense laws, or whether the act was second degree murder. The murkiness of the circumstances that immediately preceded the shooting is what both sides will attempt to clarify by presenting evidence that either supports Zimmerman's account or that contradicts it. So several things must be established, including whether the situation itself is supported by the self-defense laws, particularly the Stand Your Ground statute, who provoked the final confrontation, and whether Zimmerman's account of events is credible. There is still enough ambiguity about all of those things to indicate that a fair trial is quite possible, and quite likely.

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@firefly,

firefly wrote:

Just look at how uninformed BillRM and oralloy are regarding the actual evidence against Zimmerman--they seem unaware of most of it.

Feel free to try to list a single piece of evidence that I don't know about.

firefly wrote:

There is no question that Zimmerman is guilty of killing Martin

Murder and manslaughter are things that someone can be guilty of.

Simply "killing someone" is not a crime which someone can be guilty of.

firefly wrote:

the only issue is whether the killing was legally justified under Florida's self-defense laws, or whether the act was second degree murder.

The only issue? Is the option of a manslaughter guilty verdict not going to be available to the jury?

In any case, there is no question that this is not second degree murder. At the very worst all this could be is manslaughter.

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@oralloy,

This case have a great deal of evidence being make up such as the content of the 911 tape and given to the public as facts along with four years old pictures of the attacker as a cute/smiling early teenager.

But the known facts are that Zimmerman was attacked by Trayvon and put in fear for his life and he used a gun to save himself from the real risk of death or great harm with one gun shot.

There was not a damn mark on Trayvon body but for that one gun shot that ended the attack.

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@BillRM,

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This case have a great deal of evidence being make up such as the content of the 911 tape and given to the public as facts along with four years old pictures of the attacker as a cute/smiling early teenager.

Those things aren't evidence in this case. Laughing

Your ignorance of the evidence in the legal case is staggering--particularly for someone who has the chutzpah to post (incessantly) in a thread that addresses the legal issue of whether Zimmerman will be convicted of murder.

You don't even know what evidence is...

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@firefly,

The thing is, from what I know(and I confess it isn't as much as the self proclaimed experts here on a2k), there really isn't any evidence pointing to murder either.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

from what I know(and I confess it isn't as much...

Then why not spend the time to educate yourself instead of trolling, here?

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@DrewDad,

mysteryman is a troll?

wow!....just WOW!

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

mysteryman is a troll?

wow!....just WOW!

Well, I don't think he called him a troll. He just said he was trolling on this thread.

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@snood,

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Well, I don't think he called him a troll. He just said he was trolling on this thread.

kindly parse the words in such a way that gets you from point A to point B....

my english knowledge has it that trolling is the behavior of a troll, full stop.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

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Well, I don't think he called him a troll. He just said he was trolling on this thread.
kindly parse the words in such a way that gets you from point A to point B....

my english knowledge has it that trolling is the behavior of a troll, full stop.

Okay. I'll play....

I don't think everyone who technically commits a crime can be characterized as a criminal. Hence, someone can perform a behavior - like trolling (no crime, but I just used 'crime' to make a point) - and yet not actually fit the profile of what is commonly referred to as a troll. So... MM, in not familiarizing himself with the pertinent facts and history that would allow him to make a meaningful contribution to the discussion, and still offering nonsequitor 'opinions', is trolling, but not a troll.

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@snood,

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I don't think everyone who technically commits a crime can be characterized as a criminal. Hence, someone can perform a behavior - like trolling (no crime, but I just used 'crime' to make a point) - and yet not actually fit the profile of what is commonly referred to as a troll

the law, the bedrock of america, says that you are wrong. one does not even need to be aware that they are committing a crime, much less intend to commit a crime, to be a criminal.

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So... MM, in not familiarizing himself with the pertinent facts and history that would allow him to make a meaningful contribution to the discussion, and still offering nonsequitor 'opinions', is trolling, but not a troll.

wrong, for the same reason..aka ignorance of the law is no excuse for violating the law.

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