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Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

 
 
maxdancona
 
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Reply Tue 4 Dec, 2012 07:58 pm
@firefly,
Oh... that's interesting. I didn't know that. Who would have thought.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2012 09:03 pm
Zimmerman suing NBC:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2012/12/06/george-zimmerman-sues-nbc-over-trayvon-martin-reports/

BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2012 09:12 pm
@gungasnake,
The news story call it an editing error what bullshit the same kind of error that got the media showing a cute 14 years old picture instead of the 17 years old that attacked Zimmerman or then the claim that they could hear the racist slur coon of all the old fashion words that is real likely that a 37 or so Latina would employ.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2012 10:13 pm
@BillRM,
Some of these people believe they're entitled to their own separate versions of reality...
parados
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2012 07:58 am
@gungasnake,
The funny thing is if someone can sue a "news" organization because they took something out of context but still used an actual quote it will mean Rupert Murdoch will be a pauper by the end of next year.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2012 08:26 am
@parados,
Editing a 911 tape in a manner to make someone appear a racist when he is facing a murder charge is not taking something out of context!!!!!!!!

White gun nut and racist killed poor innocent child coming back from the 7/11 due to him being a racist. Great for ratings.

Let see to back that story up we will down play the fact that he is as white as Obama and not a bit more, then we will rearrange and cut the 911 tape to make it appear that he was concern about race, oh we will also claimed if you listen hard enough you can hear the racial slur coon on the tape.

The picture we will show of the poor "victim" will be four years old so people can get the idea that the "white" shooter killed a person who can clearly not be a threat to him.
aspvenom
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2012 10:28 am
@BillRM,
I don't see any problem here.
NBC does commercial speech, a speech that proposes a commercial transaction, just like advertising. So, NBC News is a commercial transaction, because it sells advertising time during it's broadcast, and the rates they charge for that advertising is based on the amounts of viewers watching. Commercial speech doesn't have the same constitutional protections afforded to free speech as it is of lower value than non-commercial speech. Mr. Green
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2012 12:15 pm
@BillRM,
Although they may be able to show that Zimmerman was slandered by the way the material was edited, they will have a more difficult time proving that NBC intentionally wanted him to appear to be a racist.

They will also have an even harder time proving damages to him because other media outlets also reported possible racial factors involved with this homicide, and it is almost impossible to determine or separate the influence of NBC in that regard. And almost the whole point of this suit is to get money from NBC because donations to Zimmerman's defense fund have dried up. NBC has no intention of settling, nor should they, and I really don't think Zimmerman will wind up with money from this civil suit because they won't be able to prove that NBC, in particular, damaged him.

In addition, Zimmerman initially noticed Martin, and had his suspicions aroused, because Martin was black, and wearing a hoodie, and he superficially fit the "profile" of other males who had committed burglaries in the housing complex. So Zimmerman himself has acknowledged that race was a factor that influenced his behaviors and prompted him to call police and follow Martin. So it's not as though NBC was the only source of a racial connection in this shooting--Zimmerman himself identified a racial factor that influenced his own behavior.
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Let see to back that story up we will down play the fact that he is as white as Obama and not a bit more...

Really? Is one of Zimmerman's parents black?

You have a real hang-up about race, particularly Zimmerman's race. He self-identifies as being white, but you can't accept that. Are you some sort of Aryan purist about who you consider to be white?
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White gun nut and racist killed poor innocent child coming back from the 7/11 due to him being a racist...

More accurately, a white gun nut and wannabe cop profiled an innocent black kid, who was returning from the store and minding his own business, as a potential criminal. And, due to his poor judgment and poor impulse control, this gun-toting adult wound up provoking a situation that led to the death of this unarmed minor.

Had Zimmmerman simply waited in his vehicle for the police to show up, this needless tragic death would not have occurred. Zimmerman not only disregarded the instructions of the police dispatcher regarding following Martin, he also disregarded the guidelines for neighborhood watch volunteers, which limit their activities and duties to simply calling the police to report anything suspicious.

If you had any notion of personal responsibility, you'd better understand why Zimmerman should go on trial for this homicide, which was classified by the police as a "needless death" the night of the shooting.


parados
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2012 12:25 pm
@BillRM,
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Editing a 911 tape in a manner to make someone appear a racist when he is facing a murder charge is not taking something out of context!!!!!!!!

Did they say he was a racist?
If not then it is totally on the listener to make that interpretation. You can't prove they intended everyone to think he was a racist. That is just your interpretation. That isn't beyond a reasonable doubt since it is based on a reasonable person's interpretation.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2012 12:41 pm
@firefly,
Yes major editing and moving things around that just happen to paint him in the worst possible light just happen with no intend to harm him for better ratings.

Come on Firefly this was done for one reason and one reason alone.

As far as bad judgment the winner is a young hoodlum who attacked Zimmerman and try to placed him in either the grave or the IU unit.

When Zimmerman is clear he should consider become a cop as he seems to have a great eye in so must as Trayvon was found by school security to have jewelries he could not explain and what the security consider burglary tools so he was not likely a poor innocent kid on his way back from 7/11 without doing some scoping of homes on the route.

Next no one had found that Zimmerman is or was a racist or have a racist bone in his body even with the FBI sending agents to talk to every one in his life so that claim is a little old beside his willingness to go to the mat for a black homeless man he feel was mistreated by the police.

BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2012 12:51 pm
@parados,
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That isn't beyond a reasonable doubt since it is based on a reasonable person's interpretation


A civil suit is more likely then not and not beyond a reasonable doubt.

They will settle with the man.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2012 01:02 pm
@BillRM,
Like I said, if they do Murdoch will be a pauper.
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2012 03:06 pm
I haven't read the whole thread so I don't know if anyone has already linked this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVUqY3tyttc

I hope he's found guilty. That would be justice. Zimmermans story has been a stretch from day one, to me.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2012 04:39 pm
@squinney,
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I hope he's found guilty. That would be justice. Zimmermans story has been a stretch from day one, to me.


LOL.........

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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2012 04:45 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Zimmerman not only disregarded the instructions of the police dispatcher regarding following Martin,


You're pretty good at making things up. You're not so good at facts however.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2012 04:46 pm
@squinney,
squinney wrote:
I hope he's found guilty. That would be justice.


Do you have any evidence that he's guilty of whatever charge you hope he's convicted of?

Or do you just like sending people to prison without any evidence that they've committed a crime?
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2012 04:46 pm
@oralloy,
Funny how they think dispatchers have law enforcement powers. A suggestion is just that a suggestion.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2012 04:53 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:
Because the prosecution always releases its entire case prior to trial.....


Are you suggesting that the State of Florida violated their discovery laws?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2012 05:03 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
Funny how they think dispatchers have law enforcement powers. A suggestion is just that a suggestion.


Even funnier that they think they have some sort of evidence that Zimmerman deviated from the dispatcher's comments in any way.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 7 Dec, 2012 06:46 pm
@oralloy,
A comment that you do not need to do that does not even raise to the level of a suggestion let alone an order from someone with no power to give an order such as a 911 dispatcher in any case.

Hell I was once told to leave my home when I had a fire inside of a wall by a 911 op and instead use my own judgment and stay.

In any case that is all unimportant side issues that have nothing to do with granting Trayvon the right to assault Zimmerman or would result in Zimmerman losing his rights of self defense.




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