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Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2012 04:47 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
They simply wanted Zimmerman's killing of Martin re-examined,


Too bad I can not know if you was able to type the above with a straight face Firefly.

footnote I wonder how many shootings of black teenagers by other black teenagers had occur that the civil right so call leadership had not call for follow up in that very same month in florida. I am also sure that the black leadership would not care or the news media if Trayvon had killed Zimmerman and other then the local news no one would had been aware of it.

Quote:
without distorting things, or without trying to spin your version of reality?


Spin as two not one major news outlet editing the 911 tape to make it appear that Zimmerman care about the race of the person he was following?

Spin like claiming to be able to hear a very very old fashion racist slur on the tape that was not there?

Spin like using a picture of Trayvon as a 14 years olds instead of a recent picture that show he compare in size to Zimmerman?
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2012 05:21 pm
@BillRM,
None of that has anything to do with the deliberate distortions and "spin" that go on in your posts.

Can't you evaluate or discuss this case with any degree of objectivity, without distorting things, or without trying to spin your version of reality? Your failure to be able to do that really destroys your credibility and impugns your own integrity.

You're not discussing this case with any degree of objectivity--you're consumed with justifying and defending Zimmerman's actions and you'll distort in order to achieve that end. You exhibit consistent bias in your views. That's not a discussion or real evaluation of this case.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2012 05:29 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
oralloy wrote:
great reason to vote for Republicans


There is no valid reason to vote Republican


I can think of three:

a) The far left hates our freedom and wants to violate our Constitutional gun rights. (Note: Does not apply to moderate Democrats, but the far left may in some situations drive the agenda for the whole party.)

b) The far left hates our freedom and wants to disarm the US military so we are unable to defend freedom and democracy around the world. (Note: Does not apply to moderate Democrats, but the far left may in some situations drive the agenda for the whole party.)

c) The Democratic Party disenfranchised Michigan in the 2008 presidential primary, and as a Michigan Democratic voter I have enough self respect to not let the matter slide.



"Point A" is a particular concern when you consider that Democratic judicial appointees tend to universally oppose the Second Amendment.

Obama has no chance of getting his anti-gun agenda past either the NRA or the moderate Democrats, but he can still appoint freedom-hating justices to the Supreme Court. Consider that at the moment we only have five justices on the court who actually support the Second Amendment.


"Point B" is less of a concern at the moment, as Obama seems willing to fund most of the vital new weapons systems that our military will need in the near future, but future presidential candidates may not be so accommodating.



BillRM wrote:
and take note it was a republican governor who appointed the special prosecutor who was assign the task of bringing charges against Zimmerman for the crime of self defense.


He chickened out when he had an opportunity to stand up to a lynch mob and defend a stranger. But that doesn't mean Republicans are universally bad.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2012 05:37 pm
bill: What Obama anti-gun agenda?

The one that lets you bring your hogleg on to the Amtrak train or to the campground next to mine at Yellowstone?

What the hell are you talking about? What's been proposed anyplace but in the mouths of the NRA cretins who are fleecing you, brother.

Joe(and laughing at you behind your back.)Nation
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2012 06:16 pm
@Joe Nation,
Joe Nation wrote:
What Obama anti-gun agenda?
What the hell are you talking about?
What's been proposed anyplace but in the mouths of the NRA cretins who are fleecing you, brother.


When Obama was running for Senate, he called for federal legislation banning all concealed carry except for police and retired police.

When Obama was a senator, he voted to outlaw military surplus ammo in assault rifle calibers (it didn't pass).

When Obama first entered the White House, one of his first moves was to push for an unconstitutional ban on assault weapons (it was quashed by moderate Democrats, led by Speaker Pelosi).

Plus, every Democratic justice on the Supreme Court opposes the Second Amendment. Were Obama to replace a conservative justice with one of his fellow freedom haters, it would be devastating for the protection of our civil rights.

BTW, on that last point, were oral arguments heard in the Woollard appeal??? I was offline for a month or two. I should go look that up.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2012 08:05 pm
@oralloy,
When Obama was running for Senate, he called for federal legislation banning all concealed carry except for police and retired police.
(No wonder I like him. No cowboys! No shitheads. No vigilantes .Yes.)
When Obama was a senator, he voted to outlaw military surplus ammo in assault rifle calibers (it didn't pass).
(Too bad....can't understand what the hell anyone would do an assault rifle except assault people.)
When Obama first entered the White House, one of his first moves was to push for an unconstitutional ban on assault weapons (it was quashed by moderate Democrats, led by Speaker Pelosi).
(There is no such thing as an unconstitutional ban on assault weapons unless and until it is declared unconstitutional by a Court of Law.)
Plus, every Democratic justice on the Supreme Court opposes the Second Amendment. Were Obama to replace a conservative justice with one of his fellow freedom haters, it would be devastating for the protection of our civil rights. (Hmmm. "Democratic justice" ~~~that sounds like a better thing than undemocratic justice.)

Can you cite the bill Obama pushed re: the ban? I've love to read it and see what kind of poison pill it contained.

Joe(I love your paranoia)Nation


oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 25 Nov, 2012 09:05 pm
@Joe Nation,
Joe Nation wrote:
oralloy wrote:
When Obama was running for Senate, he called for federal legislation banning all concealed carry except for police and retired police.


(No wonder I like him. No cowboys! No shitheads. No vigilantes .Yes.)


Your hatred of our freedom is really despicable.



Joe Nation wrote:
oralloy wrote:
When Obama was a senator, he voted to outlaw military surplus ammo in assault rifle calibers (it didn't pass).


(Too bad....


Again, your hatred of our freedom is really despicable.

The 9/11 attackers hated our freedom too.



Joe Nation wrote:
can't understand what the hell anyone would do an assault rifle except assault people.)


Most people use them for varmint hunting or target shooting.

Some people use them for self defense.



Joe Nation wrote:
(There is no such thing as an unconstitutional ban on assault weapons unless and until it is declared unconstitutional by a Court of Law.)


Don't be disingenuous. If you violate someone's constitutional rights, that is a violation from the moment you commit it. There is no need for a court ruling before your assault on our liberty is counted as such.



Joe Nation wrote:
Can you cite the bill Obama pushed re: the ban? I've love to read it and see what kind of poison pill it contained.


There was no bill. As soon as Obama started babbling about doing away with our rights and freedoms, Nancy Pelosi told him in no uncertain terms to keep his grubby paws off our Constitution. He got the message almost immediately.

Here was his vote to ban military surplus rifle ammo:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217



Joe Nation wrote:
I love your paranoia


What paranoia? All I did was point out things that Obama actually did.

Telling the truth is paranoia?
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2012 08:11 pm
Less than nine months after Trayvon Martin was shot and killed in central Florida, another black teenage student was killed under suspicious circumstances.
Damn! It happened again!

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/27/1244411/jordan-russell-davis/?mobile=nc
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2012 10:19 pm
Oralloy responded to Joe Nation:
Quote:
Joe Nation wrote:
can't understand what the hell anyone would do an assault rifle except assault people.)

Most people use them for varmint hunting or target shooting.

Some people use them for self defense.




And some people use them to kill a lot of people watching a Batman movie premiere. Kinda thought our founding documents pronounced our inalienable rights as including life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Your mindless claim that assault weapons are equated with our liberty sorta kills those rights, doesn't it?
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2012 10:33 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Joe Nation wrote:
can't understand what the hell anyone would do an assault rifle except assault people.)


Most people use them for varmint hunting or target shooting.

Some people use them for self defense.


And some people use them to kill a lot of people watching a Batman movie premiere. Kinda thought our founding documents pronounced our inalienable rights as including life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Your mindless claim that assault weapons are equated with our liberty sorta kills those rights, doesn't it?


The fact that you hate civil rights does not mean it is a mindless act to point out what the Constitution says.

And no. The fact that Americans have the Constitutional right to own assault weapons does not interfere with any other rights.
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2012 10:36 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
The fact that Americans have the Constitutional right to own assault weapons does not interfere with any other rights.

It can interfere with the right to live through a Batman movie.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2012 10:39 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
oralloy wrote:
The fact that Americans have the Constitutional right to own assault weapons does not interfere with any other rights.


It can interfere with the right to live through a Batman movie.


No, it really has no impact on that "right".
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2012 10:45 pm
that is really stupid.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2012 10:46 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
that is really stupid.


Reality may be inconvenient for your anti-freedom agenda, but that doesn't make it stupid.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2012 10:55 pm
sorry, your pro-murder agenda is stupid, no way around it.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2012 11:03 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
sorry, your pro-murder agenda is stupid, no way around it.


No such agenda.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2012 11:11 pm
sure is. automatic weapons for everyone is pro-murder.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2012 11:39 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
sure is. automatic weapons for everyone is pro-murder.


No one was saying anything about automatic weapons until you brought them up just now.

That said, "automatic weapons for everyone" is most certainly not pro-murder. The fact that you hate our freedom is no reason for you to go around lying all the time.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2012 01:18 am
oralloy says:
Quote:
No one was saying anything about automatic weapons until you brought them up just now.


You were. Scroll back up on this page. Idiot. I haven't looked in on this thread in a couple of months. Come back, and find out you're still trying to peddle the same load of crap.


Fact is, every time some kid gets a bunch of guns and shoots up his school or university or a movie premiere, it's on your head. Everytime some guy shoots and kills his wife and kids, it's on your head. Every time soembody gets caught in the crossfire between gangbangers, it's on your head. Every time some asshole in Florida shoots "seven or eight shots" into a car full of unarmed teenagers because they were playing the music too loud, and then claims "stand your ground" covers him, it's on your head. Yours and the NRA's. How does it feel to be an accessory to murder, oralloy?
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 28 Nov, 2012 06:20 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Fact is, every time some kid gets a bunch of guns and shoots up his school or university or a movie premiere, it's on your head. Everytime some guy shoots and kills his wife and kids, it's on your head. Every time soembody gets caught in the crossfire between gangbangers, it's on your head. Every time some asshole in Florida shoots "seven or eight shots" into a car full of unarmed teenagers because they were playing the music too loud, and then claims "stand your ground" covers him, it's on your head. Yours and the NRA's. How does it feel to be an accessory to murder, oralloy?

To quote you, that is really stupid.
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