Do you think Zimmerman will be convicted of murder?

Actually he did call 911 but he was cut off by zimmerman.

Zimmerman judge wins high marks in poll
July 26, 2012|
By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel


Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr., who presides over the George Zimmerman murder case, is one of the highest-ranked jurists in Central Florida, according to a recent poll of criminal defense attorneys.

Lester, a 15-year veteran of the bench who works in Sanford, received uniformly high marks for his legal knowledge, demeanor, impartiality and diligence.

His overall score was 4.55, closer to "excellent" (5) than "good" (4) on the five-point scale used by the Central Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

The group annually polls its members, other defense attorneys and prosecutors, asking them to rate area judges who handle criminal cases on their legal knowledge, impartiality, demeanor and freedom from bias.

This year, they rated 70 judges.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-26/news/os-zimmerman-judge-poll-20120726_1_lowest-rated-judge-poll-participant-george-zimmerman

Krumple wrote:

Why lump trayvon into a example as if he were guilty of some crime?

Assault with an attempted to do serous damage is a felony so off hand I would say he was likely guilty of a crime.

Second note following someone on a public street is not a crime attacking someone for daring to follow you is a crime..............

"The funny thing is" that following someone is something only "silly people" would interpret to be "the right of self defense".

If someone is a threat or a danger to you, you don't follow them, you try to get away from them

avoiding getting closer to the possibly dangerous person would be true self-defense.

If you're really interested in self-defense, you use your brain, not your gun

you use your brain, not your gun--although, in your case, that woud be admittedly hard to do.

There are facts in the case that prove that zimmerman followed and gave chase to trayvon.

However; you want to ignore these facts.

Things like dropped items such as cellphones and papers. It paints of picture of zimmerman actually moving from his car to chase down travyon.

Not only that but there is a witness which is travyons girlfriend who he had called. She told him to run when travyon said to her that he thinks this guy is following him. He told her he didn't want to run and look suspecious but she kept pleading with him to run which he finally did but it was too late because zimmerman had caught up to him and thats when travyon dropped his phone.

I have seen pictures of the crime scene and they document where items belonging to both travyon and zimmerman were found and according to the police when these items were in their possession and most likely dropped in their opinions. It shows that zimmerman was the chaser here while travyon was trying to flee the scene unsuccessfully.

Not only this but neiborhood watch programs specifically suggest that you never follow or persue a suspect if you think they have been involved in a crime. Instead you are suppose to just report to the police what you have witnessed. This is the number one rule that zimmerman broke and should have followed yet neglected to consider because he has a complex. Either he is racist and assumed trayvon was guilty of something or he wants to be a police officer and have a power trip on controling other people.

BillRM wrote:

Following and giving chase is not one and the same thing and in any case nether actions would justify his assault on Zimmerman.

If he was concern he had a cell phone to call for help either to the police or to his family and he did neither.

Actually he did call 911 but he was cut off by zimmerman.

I don't like that a national outcry had to be raised before this killing even got real scrutiny from law enforcement.

The New York Times
July 27, 2012
Those ‘On the Job’ Who Go Unarmed
By FRANCIS X. CLINES

John Hyland is the epitome of an urban cop, his Bronx accent biting as he names the precincts he’s worked — “the five-oh, the four-eight, all of them.” His street savvy undeniable after 28 years in uniform: “When you been there and done it, you kind of know the situation.” Except he was never a cop, only a New York City auxiliary policeman, one of the corps of more than 4,500 civilian volunteers who can be seen patrolling the streets any night of the year. They show a reassuring presence in N.Y.P.D. blue, fully equipped with precinct radios, incident notebooks, a baton on their belt and a seven-point-star badge.

But no gun. Absolutely no gun.

“That Florida shooting — very bad news,” said Mr. Hyland, ruing the behavior of George Zimmerman, the self-appointed neighborhood watchman who drew his pistol and claimed “stand your ground” self-defense in killing Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old. The case, which has consumed the nation, made Mr. Hyland count the blessings of not packing a gun in his rounds.

“The people chat us up, thank us. We let them know we’re around, watch after them, roll by the synagogue during Passover,” said Mr. Hyland, whose record before he retired from the auxiliary force included saving lives, like the driver of a flaming car, a venture that won him the force’s Award of Valor.

Out-of-towners may imagine New York as a Sam Peckinpah variation on Dodge City, but the men and women auxiliary officers — some people affectionately call them wannabe cops — seem a far better, certainly less lethal way to have a neighborhood watch. They are extensively trained and work firmly in the control of precinct officers, with no pay except an allowance for the uniforms they smartly wear.

And absolutely no gun.

Auxiliary Sergeant Hyland, whose day job was 33 years with the phone company, figured prominently in that policy after two auxiliary officers were fatally shot five years ago. A blue ribbon committee considered changes, and he was a member as the president of the Auxiliary Police Benevolent Association.

“I recommended no guns — make it across the board, absolutely no guns for us,” Mr. Hyland said. “I mean, some guys might be good with them, some not good,” he explained, terse but proud enough about the city’s neighborhood watch.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/28/opinion/those-on-the-job-who-go-unarmed.html?scp=1&sq=no%20guns&st=Search

I dont know that Zimmerman patrolled with a gun

I won't have a warm fuzzy that justice has been done. If they acquit him, I will have to accept it.

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But yeah - if they cut him loose, I won't be raising a big stink about racism. If they convict him, I trust we won't be hearing a peep out of you, and you'll quietly accept that the system has worked.

If Zimmerman is convicted, I will accept that and not complain, because the system will have worked the way its supposed to.
Likewise if he is aquitted.

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no matter what the verdict is I will accept it and move in, as confident as I can be that the system worked the way it should.

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I dont know that Zimmerman patrolled with a gun

He sure did the evening he spotted, followed, and killed, Trayvon Martin--as he allegedly was performing his neighborhood watch duties...

patrol

a : the action of traversing a district or beat or of going the rounds along a chain of guards for observation or the maintenance of security
b : the person performing such an action
c : a unit of persons or vehicles employed for reconnaissance, security, or combat

I suspect that they're very callusly trying to walk a fine line. A lot of their money is coming from folks who are happy that he shot a black kid. If he starts distancing himself from that, that money dries up.