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Gay Marriage

 
 
Ethel2
 
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Fri 20 Feb, 2004 08:51 am
fishin,

I haven't seen or heard any reason why same sex marriage causes harm, either emotional or physical to anyone. Homosexuality is not considered to be pathological by the medical profession. It's not considered be pathological by the American Psychoanalytic Association. Anyone can claim that something causes harm. I could claim it causes harm for anyone to be married, but I wouldn't be able to make a case for it.

We're still back to Blatham's question. Can anyone present any rational reasons why same sex marriage is harmful?

Brand,

Yes, I've had the same thought as well.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Fri 20 Feb, 2004 08:58 am
On the one hand, many people condemn gays for being intemperate libertines. Now we learn that many gay people, WANT a marriage, WANT to have a committed monogamous relationship, and to live like any other couple.

So why do you think that the very people who have condemned gays for their "loose lifestyle" get all bent out of joint when gays want to marry? Seems that what we have here is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario!
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fishin
 
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Fri 20 Feb, 2004 09:05 am
Lola wrote:
Homosexuality is not considered to be pathological by the medical profession. It's not considered be pathological by the American Psychoanalytic Association.


"Marriage" isn't a pathological condition either (well, ok. Mebbe in some cases. Wink ) . Why should a medical classification control it's legal status?
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PDiddie
 
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Fri 20 Feb, 2004 09:11 am
A fine point and thanks for making it, Phoe.

In 1958 a Gallup poll found that 96% of Caucasians polled were against interracial marriage (sorry, no link; saw it elsewhere online and didn't save).

I remember the numbers clearly though, primarily becuase I was born in 1958.

I think the Republicans should show Guess Who's Coming to Dinner? in the House and Senate chamber before they begin the debate over FMA.

Who are we to declare that two people who love each other cannot marry?

This issue may persist through Election Day, but reasonable people already have determined their position.
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Scrat
 
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Fri 20 Feb, 2004 10:22 am
McGentrix wrote:
What about joe the morgue guy that gets off on screwing dead people? Or Jeremy the grade school janitor that like little girls? Or Father Owens who likes his alter boys? Or Jose, the leader of NAMBLA? What about Geraldine the teacher who like young boys?

Should the government also just leave these people alone?

Poor arguments, McG. We're discussing unions between CONSENTING ADULTS. A dead person can't consent, and a child is not an adult.
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McGentrix
 
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Fri 20 Feb, 2004 10:50 am
My post is in response to

"America is a puritanical country obsessed with other people's private sexual affairs!

The right wing should leave people alone and just let them love.

There's nothing wrong with love."
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Lightwizard
 
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Fri 20 Feb, 2004 10:54 am
A bit more integrity? The understatement of the year.
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Scrat
 
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Fri 20 Feb, 2004 11:19 am
McGentrix wrote:
My post is in response to

"America is a puritanical country obsessed with other people's private sexual affairs!

The right wing should leave people alone and just let them love.

There's nothing wrong with love."

Granted that is a particularly vacuous, meaningless statement, but it hardly helps if you respond with one that is equally "out there". :wink:
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Lightwizard
 
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Fri 20 Feb, 2004 11:41 am
I think you should beware falling prey to the master baiter.
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Ethel2
 
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Fri 20 Feb, 2004 07:11 pm
fishin wrote:
Quote:
"Marriage" isn't a pathological condition either (well, ok. Mebbe in some cases. ) . Why should a medical classification control it's legal status?


Because we're talking about why it should not be allowed and if it's a violation of civil rights. Homosexuality is not a pathological adaptation and that reflects on whether anyone is being hurt by allowing same sex marriage.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 20 Feb, 2004 09:28 pm
What interests me most is the conservative claim about the "sanctity of marriage." It makes me want to laugh MAO.
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blatham
 
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Sat 21 Feb, 2004 06:25 am
The judge in San Francisco has made what I believe is the correct finding for the correct rationale...
Quote:
The conservative group argued that the weddings harm all Californians who voted in 2000 for Proposition 22, which defined marriage as between a man and a woman.

The judge suggested that the rights of the gay and lesbian couples appeared to be more substantial.

"If the court has to weigh rights here, on the one hand you are talking about voting rights, and on the other you are talking about equal rights," Quidachay said.
http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2004/02/20/sf_marriages/index.html

One can easily imagine the results of a referendum held forty years past in, say, Alabama, on whether blacks ought to be kept out of community swimming pools (a group of texans holidaying in Las Vegas demanded the Sands Hotel swimming pool be drained and thoroughly washed after Sammy Davis Jr. was seen in it). Though a majority would almost certainly have voted to 'keep the black buggers out', it seems pretty obvious that constitutional principles should properly be considered senior.

And that points to the specious (and dangerous) thinking (or non-thinking, usually) sitting under the cliche "activist judges".

Without question, if such 'pollution-free swimming pool' legislation had been tabled and put into law, and if the present 'activist judges' label were in popular use then, any move by the courts to overturn such a law would have gained the wrathful 'activist judges' label.
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blatham
 
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Sat 21 Feb, 2004 06:42 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
What interests me most is the conservative claim about the "sanctity of marriage." It makes me want to laugh MAO.

CI

Yes, I'm not a big fan of this claim either. 'Sanctity' is from the same root as 'sacred', and that which is sacred (or profane) is so only to a specific faith group. To place such a value into the law is to risk placing a singular faith in some special category of 'the right faith'. One can imagine what the beef industry might say if future immigration trends led to calls to apply the term 'sacred' to our cattle.
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Lightwizard
 
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Sat 21 Feb, 2004 10:11 am
Should we assume there is a sanctity of divorce? What this advocates is to also pass a law outlawing divorce. Sounds rather Catholic to me.
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PDiddie
 
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Sat 21 Feb, 2004 02:17 pm
Watch the attack of the gay agenda (broadband connection recommended).
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Ethel2
 
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Sat 21 Feb, 2004 06:34 pm
That's very funny PD.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 22 Feb, 2004 01:34 am
PD

Laughing
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blatham
 
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Sun 22 Feb, 2004 07:54 am
A very good piece...the 'slippery slope' paragraph is perhaps particularly worth considering...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/22/weekinreview/22word.html
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blatham
 
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Sun 22 Feb, 2004 07:58 am
Opposition in Mass. increasing...
http://www.salon.com/news/wire/2004/02/21/massachusetts/index.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sun 22 Feb, 2004 11:51 am
blatham, Your first link to the NYT article reminds me of how generally "fearful" the American populace is of almost "everything" we don't really understand. The fear is based on our inability to understand the truth about what we are fearful about. It fails to "see" the realities or truths that are all around us. Just look at how fearful Americans are of the next nine-eleven terrorist attack on our shores. We've had more natural disasters and killings in Iraq and Afghanistan that far exceeds what we fear at home. Rational thinking has disappeared from our landscape.
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