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The War on Labor Unions is a War on All of Us

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Apr, 2012 04:52 pm
@georgeob1,
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Perhaps you should move to the socialist paradise in Cuba.


I just knew that was coming. Your gob really is predictable, Gob1.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2012 11:18 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

OK, Illinois public school teachers can quit the union, but they are required to pay dues to it as a precondition of employment.

No, they're not required to pay dues. They're required to pay fair share payments, which represent their share of the amounts spent by the union to represent them as members of the collective bargaining unit. I'm beginning to get the impression that you don't understand labor laws at all.

georgeob1 wrote:
I'm quite sure there are no non UAW assembly line workers in GM (or none still alive). If I'm not mistaken this indeed is a feature of the GM CBA with the UAW.

I'm quite sure you're wrong.

georgeob1 wrote:
It certainly was the case in the companies I ran in Colorado and Washington (although we eventually broke the union (Steelworkers) by entering into "secret" negotiations with the Building trades, then under Bob Georgine under the guise of a technicality regarding who had proper jurisdiction. Under the threat of real competition they suddently became slightly less unreasonable.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Unions in the same industry have competed with each other since the days of the Knights of Labor, and unscrupulous employers have taken advantage of that competition for their own selfish ends for about as long. Nothing new there.

georgeob1 wrote:
You are quibbling with respect to the effective monopolies currently enjoyed by these unions..

No, but I am enjoying your continuing demonstration of how little you really know about this subject.
Fido
 
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Reply Tue 10 Apr, 2012 12:44 pm
@joefromchicago,
Dito.
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sumonht1990
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 05:22 am
@georgeob1,
I think there are some truth in there .Government should be aware about this matter .In this world our civilization growing up supported by the labor ,and it is true that we are not friendly about our labor .Where workers are given a choice in the matter, unions usually fail . Government must be aware about affected workers.What do you think about the affected workers..?
Fido
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2012 09:10 am
@sumonht1990,
sumonht1990 wrote:

I think there are some truth in there .Government should be aware about this matter .In this world our civilization growing up supported by the labor ,and it is true that we are not friendly about our labor .Where workers are given a choice in the matter, unions usually fail . Government must be aware about affected workers.What do you think about the affected workers..?

People are forced to combine to defend their rights against people who combine into corporations to defeat their rights... It is not anything anyone wants to do...And there is no greater injustice than to treat everyone as equal... You are going to underpay one, and overpay others; relatively, and fairness for the whole society does not result from unions either, since it is by control of the supply of labor that the price can be maintained at a high level...

Since labor unions result in injustice for the members and do not result in justice for the whole working class, they should be destroyed... Then what??? You have gotten rid of organizations because they only work ineffectively and unjustly... On this basis it is right to get rid of the government that has only been ineffective and unjust... It is the government which should do all that the unions do...It does not; but on principal, on the unproven supposition that what is good for property and property owners is good for the whole nation -it lets business and capital have its own way with the nation and with the commonwealth of this nation...

As can be seen by the flight of the commonwealth out of the hands of the common people, and by the fact that in private hands the commonwealth is denied even to the government for its own defense, the defense of territory, and of property rights, so it can be seen that the guiding principal of the government is false, and if continued will lead to the destruction of this nation and this people...

The government must decide whose side it stands on... Today we are a house divided, and we are divided as much as anything on our conception of wealth, and of property rights... We had to fight a civil war to limit property rights, and now that wage slavery is seeming more and more like chattel slavery we must fight again if we will not all be slaves to capital...
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