Reality from the view point of theists

@Fil Albuquerque,

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTF-hHGbQ6s[/youtube]

yes of course from a mathematical perspective but what is more important , is what the essence of the equations is inotherwords if we look deep into the depth of the equations , of physics , the equations are governed by the objects themselves meaning that it is the objects themselves , their interactions , their movements ,that are the real essence of the equations

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@north,

...you are entitled to your opinion as much as anybody but I am inclined to invite to see the video again as I am also under the impression you did n´t quite get it...

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

...you are entitled to your opinion as much as anybody but I am inclined to invite to see the video again as I am also under the impression you did n´t quite get it...

I saw the video , fully , and I get it , mathematics should be able to understand the Universe , fully , eventually

I disagree , there just to many things we don't understand enough yet , such as Plasmic filements , thats another book

my point is , still , from my last post stands

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@north,

...obviously you did n´t and you wont get away with it...the video clearly states that maths does not just may describe reality but that it is a plausible hypothesis that mathematics is reality...which is the opposite of what you are saying the video proposes...

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

...obviously you did n´t and you wont get away with it...the video clearly states that maths does not just may describe reality but that it is a plausible hypothesis that mathematics is reality...which is the opposite of what you are saying the video proposes...

then I disagree , think about it Fil , mathematics describes reality based on what , on what , Fil

the objects doing what they do , how can't you understand this ?

take away all the objects in the Universe , absolutely all objects . then what does mathematics base an equation on ? empty space

or what comes first , the equation , or the object ?

answer that

mathematics is symbolic logic , a number represents a certain physical dynamic , thats what mathematics is

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@north,

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkGeOWYOFoA[/youtube]

notice that video is based on objects and what is found mathematically in those objects

inotherwords without the objects , there is no mathematics

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@north,

....you are playing with words there mate...obviously if mathematics equals objects objects equal mathematics... Rolling Eyes

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

....you are playing with words there mate...obviously if mathematics equals objects objects equal mathematics...

my point is which came first , the object or the mathematics ?

the object came first

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@north,

...they ARE the same !
...you don´t ask which came first me or me do you ? Rolling Eyes

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@Fil Albuquerque,

I prefer it short and very simple.

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Fil and north seem to be on a digression about whether or not objects and mathematics is the same thing. This kind of stumbling in the dark is what you get if you take the concept of scientific objectivity to be an absolute truth.

"Objects" or "thingness" are psychological properties. Mathematics is a language that describes with accuracy how things unfold based on our observations and predictions.

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

What idea of reality ??? are n ´t you defending that there´s no such thing as a reality ??? How the heck can we have an idea of something that does n´t exist ? precisely from there you n your pals go on about these quasi ideas on about a quasi reality...I suppose it never occurred to you to prompt an infinite regression on quasi quasi quasi ideas and so on...further down that road we will end up with quasi quasi "observers", with multiple quasi quasi "personality's" inside a quasi quasi "mind" portraying quasi quasi "concepts" upon a quasi quasi "reality" or "world"...hell !!!

No... I am not saying there is no reality... I am saying the bit of reality we have is not enough for form any sort of useful concept of what reality is... If you have the tracks of a bear, you know you have something even if you have never seen the bear...The tracks of reality are smaller and reality is larger than can be estimated given what we know, snd to be rational we must act upon certain knowledge even if the knowledge is always limited... No concept can be considered complete... Some concepts suggest so much based upon so little that they are useless...Moral forms, transcendent concepts are simply labels on a file that is otherwise empty... We can talk about what should be in the file because we have the label; but for all practical purposes it remains empty...

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

...obviously you did n´t and you wont get away with it...the video clearly states that maths does not just may describe reality but that it is a plausible hypothesis that mathematics is reality...which is the opposite of what you are saying the video proposes...

You know that this idea is very old, being one of the notions of the pythagoreans... In fact, math is an abstraction of reality, physical reality, and is useful to the understanding of it; and yet it is only so useful, and pushed beyond the point of verification it is worse than useless... Physical reality is only a part of the reality people deal with... We have not abandoned luck, magic, or religion in the conduct of our lives...We have not abandoned the spiritual conception of life, or the spiritual metaphysics of creation by a first cause though it explains nothing and proves less...Certainly math is useful, but if it never found inherent contradictions it would never have needed correction, and it has been corrected...We hope...

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@Fido,

Excellent response, Fido. To say that math IS reality it to say that it is inclusive of reality rather than descriptive of aspects of it. Moreover, it asserts that Korszbsky (sp?) was wrong, that the map IS the territory. Math, like language, is an (imperfect and variable) abstraction from reality. And it does deal only with physical dimensions, not with spiritual and aesthetic conceptions of life, and that is serious for, as Nietzsche put it, reality is justfied for humans mainly as an aesthetic phenomenon.

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@JLNobody,

If this was facebook I'd be clicking like to that post.

I am excited to find out how the more recent theories of physics will describe reality and it's many dimensions.
As I understand it, we humans have a 4dimensional perception, but we have a 5 dimensional awareness. If we didn't we would have no comprehension of temporal progression and no means to anticipate or remember events.

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@Cyracuz,

Cyracuz wrote:

If this was facebook I'd be clicking like to that post.

Why not click on thumbs up?

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@Fido,

...yes I am aware on how old the idea is...as for the remaining I don´t see the sequiturs there I am sorry !

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@Fido,

Another well thought out response Fido. Wink

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Is it time for all of us to wake up from this American dream and start seeing reality for what it really is?

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