One thing should be evident: Fresco is not stonewalling; he is trying to communicate a very subtle--and counterintuitive--point.
Thank you, JL…that was good of you to mention that…and perhaps I have been giving this point you are making short shrift. I recognize that Fresco is working from the perspective that the communication he is attempting to share is subtle…and may be beyond my ability to comprehend.
That does not, however, make it correct.
Something is going on here. Existence IS. It may be an illusion, but even a illusion is existence. An illusion is NOT nothing.
I deal with “counter intuition” damn near every day. GOLF is a mainstay of my existence…and there is nothing on the planet more plagued with counter intuitive progressions. In order to make a ball go high, one must hit it on a downward swing; in order to make a ball stay low, one must hit it with a lofting swing; to make a ball go far, one must slow down the swing.
That notwithstanding, however, one cannot suggest that the winner of a golf match is the person with the highest score, just because the higher score will win in almost all other sports. In golf, the winner will be the person with the lowest score.
There simply is no way logically to get to “THERE IS NO OBJECTIVE REALITY”, because even “no objective reality” would then be “the OBJECTIVE REALITY.”
It seems obvious to me (and I think to Setanta, Farmerman, and you) that this disagreement is more a function of Fresco talking about definition and comprehension of REALITY (which almost certainly will be a subjective undertaking)…while we are talking about the REALITY itself…which is objective (whatever IS…IS).
As I suggested, it is time for this to be put to bed. At no point whatever has Fresco been able to offer a reasonable, coherent counter argument to what Setanta and I have offered about the Objective Reality of WHAT IS…without regard to whether or not we know what is; can define what is; or can understand what is. What is…IS. And that “IS”…is the objective REALITY.